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Yeah, I do believe that the spike generally causes an endothelitis. And so it makes sense to me that both COVID and the vaccine and the two together, maybe the worst, would cause coronary disease. But I don't see where the virus itself is infecting the heart. And yet we do see spike from the vaccine, right? Would that be a reasonable way to frame that?

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That's interesting. And by the way, no pericarditis from COVID that I'm aware of. And I remember when I had COVID, I've told this very many times, I had my fever like 103 and I was climbing stairs and my pulse was 60. I went, uh-oh, I think this thing is affecting the heart. But that was COVID itself.

But let's quickly, we're going to take a break in a minute, but give us a little sketch on these self-replicating mRNA vaccines. That just sounds odd and spooky to me. What's going on there?

I want to... I want to get into this further because I love that frame. So I want to say it again so people understand it, that a virus is a code, a DNA or RNA code, surrounded typically by a protein sheath or shell that allows it to get in the cells. The mRNA vaccines...

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are a protein, are a RNA code that is encapsulated in a, this case, a liquid nanoparticle that allows it to go inside the cell and take over the machinery, which is what a virus does. That they are the same is a fascinating construct. And I want to talk about it in the context of the ethics of doing so, of creating these things.

And now that it's replicating, it fully is a viral particle, essentially. I mean, the whole idea of viruses

being viral is that it replicates uh it is a viral particle uh and why we don't apply the same standards to this as say we do to crisper and and monkeying with dna why should it to me it should be almost identically the same but let's take a little break we'll talk about that we have jessica rose in about 15 minutes dr claire craig is here you can follow her on claire craig path

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Claire Craig on ex-Claire Craig Path. And Jessica Rose will be here in a second. Jessica loves MJK. So before the break, Dr. Craig and I were talking about the ethics of manipulating the genetics of biological entities. And she was pointing out how much this replicating mRNA vaccine is, in fact, by any description, I don't want to say it too strongly, at least approximates a virus.

How do we deal with the ethics and why aren't we applying the same ethics that we do to other genetic manipulations?

And so what were the things, I don't know if this may be unfair to sort of ask you off the top of your head, but what were the usual things I'm going to say even experiments, the usual considerations that were bypassed.

Help me, Caleb, that has been so great throughout COVID, particularly in the post-COVID era. Dr. Claire Craig. Thank you, and welcome to the program. Dr. Campbell, right? I saw you recently on Dr. Campbell's YouTube channel, and I was enraptured with your information and update, and now we got to talk about amplifying RNA vaccines as well. Welcome back.

I wonder if there's another way to back into this topic through the incredible outrage and the response of the molecular, what we used to call molecular biological community, to the Chinese scientist who used CRISPR to create a set of twins. That was so outrageous. I'd love to see some of the ink that was spilled on the ethical transgressions of that scientist.

And again, using our little new ledger theory that we're going to one day develop, the opposite reaction that was used in this case to excuse and obfuscate the usual considerations.

Dr. Craig, I can either let you go or keep you as we bring Jessica Rose in here to be a part of this conversation. I want to interview Jessica a little bit. Do you have time to stay with us or would you rather kind of wrap it up? We'll get you on a stay. Okay. So Dr. Craig will stay with us. Again, you can follow her on Claire Craig path on X. Now, Jessica Rose. Jessica loves MJK.

Jessica's at universe.com. Jessica5b3 is the sub stack. And Jessica, you heard a little bit of the conversation we were just having. Let me start with asking you the question I was sort of asking Dr. Craig, which was why we didn't apply the same bioethical considerations to these products, in particular, this self-replicating vaccine, which essentially...

is approximates a virus in and of itself, why we don't use the same bioethical considerations that we do say with CRISPR technologies and the outrage that we expressed when a Chinese scientist used CRISPR. We went nuts about that. And yet here we are doing something awfully similar. What are your thoughts?

So I guess let's start with the book. What can we expect to learn from reading Expired?

Because they're calling them vaccines and not what they actually are. So, yeah, really, really nice to hear everything that Claire said. If I may, before I explain exactly what the self-amplifying lipid nanoparticle technology is and why it's more horrifying than the previous slide. version, the modified mRNA LNP tech.

I'm really happy to hear that the DNA story is prolific because from my point of view, it's not prolific enough. It's so important for all the reasons that you brought up about the regulators not doing anything about this residual DNA, which is far above EMA limits. Because they're claiming, first of all, they claim that it wasn't there. Then they checked and they confirmed that it was.

I'm talking about Health Canada, the FDA and the EMA. And now they're saying that it's not a problem. This SV40 promoter enhancer, for example, which is a nuclear localization sequence and a known gene therapy tool is very bioactive. And they're claiming that it has no functional role. We have FOIA emails that verify this. It's horrific. So the whole story implicates cancer in a nutshell.

I mean, residual DNA and products that aren't supposed to contain residual DNA and certainly not at the levels that we're finding today. This is horrific. I mean, it has all sorts of implications for... You know what, Jessica?

I think we all three agree on this, but I'll let Dr. Craig address this. I think she was saying that she's worried it will become a false flag, that it's something they could solve and then say, see, everything's fine. Am I getting that right, Dr. Craig?

Yeah, but the thing about it, if I may, is that this is all... I'm going to throw in a pun here. This is all packaged together with the lipid nanoparticle technology, which also is implicated in this new self-amplifying product. So the whole thing is going to go down. I don't think that they're going to just...

um say okay yes we solved the dna the residual dna problem i don't personally i don't think they can because of why it actually got in there which is because of rna dna high formation they have been trying to mediate this problem since 2021 we also have a document that proves that so they've been trying moderna's done a better job according to kevin mccernan but uh I would push back on that.

I think that this is the doorway into removing this entire platform from the market. So, yeah. And can I comment about the cardiac thing as well?

Hold on. Hold on one second. One quick second. I'll get Craig's response to the first thing and then we'll go to cardiac. Go ahead.

Just today, I reposted a little Senate hearing with Alex Antic, who's a senator in Australia. asking one, I think his first name is John Skerritt, yes, who is a professor, I'm not sure what he's a professor of, about the death of a seven-year-old and a nine-year-old Australian children due to cardiac arrest in temporal proximity to getting the COVID jabs.

And the guy said, the professor John Skerritt said that it was more common than people think dying children, prepubescent children dying of cardiac arrest, which is false. And that there's no linked signal in terms of adverse event reports in pharmacovigilance databases to the COVID shots. You know, of course, I had to go right away and prove him wrong on both counts.

There's data from the TGA that proves there's no reports of cardiac arrest in prepubescent children like that. And in VAERS, there are thousands of reports of cardiac arrest. We're not talking about myocarditis or any other cardiovascular issues. We're talking about cardiac arrest leading to death. There are thousands of them. And just to give you some statistics here...

in terms of temporality, 32% of those reports were reported within 24 hours, 38% within 48, and 52% of all the cardiac arrest reports were reported within seven days. So this is Absolutely.

I want to put a little finer point on that. If you remember in the Pfizer research, the original study, they eliminated the first two weeks. The first two weeks didn't exist. Anybody lost in those two weeks were just blinded to the study. Interesting. Number one. And then number two, last time we were together, Jessica, we were with Dr. Joseph Freiman, who was pointing out a doctor.

He was describing such a case of an eight-year-old or a 10-year-old who died immediately following the vaccine to the team at FDA, whose response at the time was, oh, well, I guess it must have fallen through the cracks. And by the way, still no response last I checked.

Yeah. Senator Antic was like very polite, probably more polite than I would have been. And Claire, you guys both know what I'm going to say here. The response to hearing about the possibility that a therapeutic product that the children didn't need killed them is just like...

there's just no emotional response and they don't even attempt to engage the possibility that there is a causal relationship. And the data really, really demonstrates that there is. And every single person knows by now they've heard somebody suffering from the shots or suffered themselves. I mean, this, this is, it's not a secret anymore. It's, it's, it's, um,

It's preposterous that anybody would sit there and deny the possibility. Let's just put it that way.

And then you want to tell us some thoughts on the myocardial mechanism, the mechanism of myocarditis or something. You said you wanted to comment on that.

Yeah, no, I think Claire summed it up beautifully, and I agree with her. I mean, the molecular mimicry doesn't just apply to the cardiac tissue. There are peptides in that spike protein for which there are human homologues and peptides. We can have the immune system attacking anywhere. There's even a paper out there that demonstrates that it can attack immune system cells. So this is really bad.

I'm going to ask you to speculate even further. Is it possible that some of that was constructed in the lab, so to speak, to sort of have this as a bioweapon with a maximal downstream effect?

Yes, and the reason I'm saying yes emphatically three times is because there's no way that the people who designed the spike protein, it was designed and it was codon optimized, didn't run that stuff through the various bioinformatics softwares to predict whether or not there were amyloidogenic peptides, which there are, whether there was a super antigen site, which it's been documented there is, whether or not there were...

many homologs to human proteins in there. There are.

Jessica, we know what you mean. You have to explain that to the public at large. All that needs to be deconstructed for people just simply, if you can. Homologs, codons, those are the words people don't know.

All right. Forget about the codon optimization. You guys don't need to know about that for this. But basically, everybody knows that the sequence for the spike, it's a sequence of letters, which are... which are encoded by nucleotides. So a peptide is just a shorter sequence of like within that spike protein.

Two more wonderful guests today. Both are returning. Dr. Jessica Rose will be here in a few minutes. You can follow her on Jessica Loves MJK on X or jessicasuniverse.com. Her sub stack is jessica5b3.com. Of course, Jessica has a degree in applied mathematics, immunology, computational biology, molecular biology, biochemistry. She's going to bring us up to date, as is Claire Craig.

So if you chop that up into little bits, let's just say, for example, some of those little bits, have exact, it's the same sequence in human protein, if you're catching my drift. So they're not similar, they're exact. There's like 100% sequence homology. So if you can imagine- Let's back away from that.

There's no way, I shouldn't say no way because genes are funny that way, but that's not something typically that you would see in a Corona bat virus.

Well, I don't know if it would be typical. I don't think it would be typical. But it certainly is strange that there do seem to be quite a large number of these. There are at least two papers I can think of off the top of my head that are peer-reviewed. They're sitting on PubMed right now, published, that actually map many, many, many of these. And some of them are actually linked to...

the female reproductive system as well. But, but I should tell everyone about self-reporting RNA before I run out of time.

Hold on, before you do, before you do, I want to make sure we hang on and Dr. Craig, I want to make sure if you don't have anything to say about what Jessica just, she was dropping bombs all over the place there. And I want to make sure you, do you have a reaction to any of that?

Okay. All right, Jessica, keep going.

I'm just, forgive me, I'm looking for the papers off the top of my head if I can read them to people about the molecular mimicry issue. Darn it. I do. No, I have it. So I can't, I won't even think about sharing my screen. That's too complicated. So there's a paper that was published in 2020.

It's called is molecular mimicry, the culprit and autoimmune hemolytic anemia affecting patients with COVID-19. And it's, some other questions, but I implore everyone to read this. And there's also potential autoimmunity resulting from molecular mimicry between SARS-CoV-2 spike and human proteins that was published in 2022 in viruses.

And I remember last time we spoke, you had sort of embedded that history in the early days of being contaminated and smells and how we finally got over that, the idea that these were transmitted through the air and smells, and now we've got something that is transmitted through the air, and we can't get that back in our thinking.

So just to, you know, confirm what I'm saying is true, that there are papers that people have written, you know, that document this phenomenon.

mRNA, replicating mRNA. Get there.

All right, guys, sit down. You're going to have to. So I just recently came back from a trip to Japan with some colleagues. Lawyers, doctors, scientists, because we had the ear of some Japanese parliamentarians on the subject matter of the self-amplifying mRNA LNP technology.

And the reason why we went there was because they were about to launch it into the elderly population starting on October 1st. We did reach people. I think that we actually made a difference. They did go ahead with administering these products. Now, this is a COVID SARS product. This has the spike gene inside, and I'll tell you all about that now. In my opinion, it's completely moot.

They're both going to be talking about, amongst other things, self-replicating mRNA vaccines. Dr. Craig is a diagnostic pathologist, author and co-chair of Health Advocacy and Recovery Team. She's been with us before, and after 15 years in the NHS, she's been a pathologist. Training was at Oxford. She has lots of information, and the book is expired.

Nobody needs to be injected with this stuff because everybody's had an experience with it and a challenge and or a challenge. But the uptake, the good news is the uptake was apparently quite low. So this is very good news from the point of view of people's awareness having improved.

However, because of the nature of these products, you know, it kind of makes me wonder if it's not quote unquote too late. So let me tell you what this is and how it's different from the modified mRNA. It does utilize the same lipid nanoparticle technology. The only thing that's different in the formulation that has four fats is the cationic lipid.

So it's still an ionizable cationic lipid, which is the only thing you guys need to know is that it's highly toxic. And those toxicity issues haven't been resolved. So all the compendial standard issues exist. And the good manufacturing practice issues are probably going to carry right over with these new products.

We know how careful they were with formulating and manufacturing these modified mRNA products. we can see because they have residual DNA in them. So we can assume, I'm speculating here, but we can assume that we're going to have similar problems, at least from the point of view of the lipid nanoparticles with this new stuff. So now let me scare you.

What they've done is they've taken something called an alpha virus. This is a genus of viruses in the family Togaviridae. Don't ask me how I remembered that. But these geniuses have borrowed a wonderful tool that these alpha viruses use to self-replicate their own genetic material called an RNA-dependent RNA polymerase.

So, like many things in biology, we humans look at them, we marvel at it, and then we try and mimic it in the lab for, like, making therapeutic products. I call it mad scientism. So just like plasmids in bacteria are used in biotech, what these people decided to do was to take this alpha virus and this copying machine enzyme

extract out the subgenomic components, which are the bits of the alpha virus that it uses to give it infrastructure. By the way, the virus that they used is called Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus, and that's as scary as it sounds.

I was going to say, the toga viruses is German measles and equine encephalitis. That's what they cause.

The actual Venezuelan one, yeah, which is the only one we don't have up here in Southern California. We have everything else.

Maybe soon. So the story develops. So they're using the construct of this Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus because it carries... this gene called RDRP. That's the RNA dependent RNA polymerase that allows that virus to optimize its own survival by being able to copy its own genetic material.

So like I said, instead of the, the, the virus junk and the replication machinery that they take out, they substitute in the spike gene. So that's the stuff that they put into people in Japan. Now, I'll say one more thing and then I'll tell you why I'm worried about this. So on November 11th, the FDA green lighted the phase one trialing of this exact same technology for H5N1 virus.

This is this bird flu virus that they're, they're, they're talking, they're using in the same language or they're using in the same sentence with the word pandemic. It's even in like the word pandemic is even in the title of the phase one study. And what they've done is instead of inserting spike genes, they've inserted the hemagglutinin and the neuraminidase genes from the H5N1.

So that in and of itself is kind of scary. And here's what I'd like everyone to do now as a thought experiment and the reason why I'm concerned. So As part of the phase one trial, there's 200 people in it, 18 to 80. The inclusion criteria list was anemic. They only had three points. The exclusion criteria was also really low.

Basically, anybody who had a serious adverse reaction to the modified mRNA shots is excluded. And the inclusion criteria, this is just a point of interest to make you think, included people who were able to get pregnant If you are of childbearing age, you should protect yourself during the trials. I just want to throw that there.

Nowhere in the inclusion or the exclusion criteria is there any mention of how many shots of the modified mRNA stuff they got, which begs questions about counterindications, or whether or not those people may be carrying replicating alpha viruses. Now we're going into hypothetical land here, but we have to because of something called RNA recombination, which is a real possibility here.

So imagine one of these people is infected with an alpha virus of some kind. All the alpha viruses have this RDRP gene that allows them to photocopy their own genetic material. Let's say they don't have many symptoms for some reason. So they get into the trial, they have some cells, let's say that some cells have active replication going on in them.

And this actually brings us back to that excellent point that Claire made about infection, because unless you have a very high viral load due to a lot of viral replication going on in many cells, you're not really having an infection. So let's just say you have a few cells with viral replication going on. Now, because these

These new self-amplifying RNA guys are encapsulated in lipid nanoparticles. We know that once someone gets injected with this stuff, that it has the potential to traffic everywhere. So let's hypothesize that one of these lipid nanoparticles reaches a cell in the body that has an active replication going on of an alpha virus.

What could potentially happen here, and this is hypothetical, but it could happen, is something called RNA recombination. So during the replication cycle, there's something that the virus can do called template switching.

In the presence of this foreign RNA that's introduced into the cell via the lipid nanoparticle, which is, you know, very efficient Trojan horse way to introduce foreign genetic material, it can swap out the photocopying paper, let's say, if you want to think about it that way, and form chimeric RNA.

Now, there is a possibility if that happens, because it does happen, that you could actually end up with a new virus. Now, whether or not that, like, there are a lot of things that have to line up in order for this to happen. So everybody don't get too scared yet. But the thing about this is, and I'm going back to what you and Claire were talking about, this has to have been tested.

This has to have been done. These questions need to have been answered. way before anybody was injected, because we're dealing with gene-based therapies. And you can't go back from this if we mess this up. And you're actually potentially looking at an actual, you know, biohazard in the making. So it also begs the question, why are they talking about pandemics with H5N1 bird flu all of a sudden?

What do you think? NSF. I certainly think that's a sign that they're messing with the virus. Same with the monkeypox. Why does... I mean, look, we had indigenous dengue fever break out in Southern California from a mosquito in Southern California the first time in history. The press, unconcerned. It was a major, major, major story in my mind. While there was a... about six weeks ago.

This country, I don't know about the UK, but this country has a long history of doing things like this. People don't understand the opioid crisis is exactly the same story. We developed morphine sulfate and the hypodermic needle. Then physicians addicted millions of people to opiates.

I believe there were a couple of cases. Yeah, big, big deal. But in the meantime, a single clade one of monkeypox shows up off a plane from Denmark or something. And oh my God, there's a headline on the front page of every newspaper.

The way this is being reported, the distortions and the lack of understanding of what they're even talking about and what is important and what's not important is making me insane. So I will ask you this question that I asked at the beginning. Why are we not holding the same ethical standards that we would for CRISPR generally? Why don't we? What happened? Is it hysteria?

Is it that just the fact that it's slipped through and being used so widely, they're just kind of leaning into it? What do you surmise? And let's get Dr. Craig in here on that as well. But Jessica, you first.

I think motive has changed dramatically. Yeah, the definitions are changing, the motives have changed. Maybe it has a lot to do with your point about people just not understanding. And I tend to veer toward that because like,

Just to give you an example of a self-amplifying phase one trial, if you even try to explain to the 200 participants what they were being injected with, is there any chance that any of them would understand the implications, the potential devastation even to the environment? Because if something goes wrong, these alpha viruses, they're shared among many mammalian species.

So it's like, we're not just talking about messing up our own, you know, let's say gene pools, I suppose. When you're talking about gene-based therapies, it can translate, pardon the pun, to other people.

The point is, it's, yeah, I think the way to say it is not just the individual, say, cancer risk downstream, there are many other risks. Dr. Craig, are you still with us? And I want to get your thoughts on this same topic. Go ahead there.

And then the Harrison Narcotic Act came out here that literally jailed 20,000 physicians as the source of that epidemic of opiates. For the next 40 years, doctors did not use opiates except under the most extreme circumstances. By the time we hit the 70s, we have people living for decades with cancer and cancer pain that we would not give them pain medicines to.

Hysteria, hysteria, mass formation. It feels like that's been a lot of the story of the last five or six years. Is there more to get into, Jessica? Have we run the cycle? Is there to cover the topic to your satisfaction?

I think so, yeah. I just, I can't emphasize enough how people should stay well away from any gene-based products. That includes the modified and the self-amplifying stuff. It's even like more... red flaggy to me.

Um, and, uh, because the potential, quite frankly, like when you start messing with genes, like I said before, there's no predictability here and we actually could end up screwing ourselves, pardon my language. Um, Like, I know that fear is a huge component. And without it, you know, they wouldn't have gotten away with what they got away with in the first four years.

And I think that, you know, people absolutely need to be based in knowledge and not fear. But at the same time, man, we have to scream to the rooftops, like, enough fear. With the gene-based stuff, enough with the gain-of-function research, enough with the chimeric virus crap, enough with building viruses so that we have to make vaccines before that guy gets us.

I mean, the whole thing is so absurd. In my opinion, we're brilliant. Our species is so brilliant. And all of the stuff that we could be doing and all the energy and the time and the money could be spent on such amazing stuff. Not this biohacking nonsense that will end up leading to our detriment. That's all I have to say. Okay.

And Claire, any last thoughts?

Yeah, I'm just thinking, hearing your beautiful accent and then talking about the destructive effect of fear, I had a historical sort of weird image of the idea of Winston Churchill going, shelter in place, shelter, oh my God, oh my God, we're doomed. I mean, just look at where history has gone well and where it's not gone well. It's never because of fear.

Now a pain medicine group rose up and said, oh my God, pain is what the patient says it is. Pain is the fifth vital sign. you are opiophobic and the answer has always been there in the poppy flower and we need to use as much as the patients say. And of course, my patients took full advantage of that and those same doctors killed my patients by the hundreds. So there we go.

It's not gone well because of fear and panic. And anybody that has addressed horrifically and genuinely fear-provoking circumstances did so with intestinal fortitude and things went a lot better. Guys, thank you so much for being here and thank you for all the work and I hope you'll keep it up. We're going to talk about Claire's book. Jessica, do you want people just to go to your sub stack?

Yeah. Oh, by the way, I just wanted to mention my website is down. Just because Universe, I'm having domain issues. They're linking it to something that you don't want to go to. And my Substack is also just r.substack.com. So I have two.

What is it? Say it again. R?

Jessica R. Like JessicaR.substack.com.

Jessica R. Okay, Jessica R. Got it. Jessica R. And then let's put up Clara's book one more time, Caleb, if you don't mind. I want everyone to read that. And it's a really interesting expired, the COVID, the untold story. COVID, the untold story.

And it really goes back to his history of infections generally and our ideas about them and how we have been infected by ideas that have affected our response to these sorts of outbreaks. Thank you guys so much. Hope to talk to you again very soon.

Bye. Thanks for having me.

Of course, Jessica's at JessicaLovesMJK on X and Claire is ClaireCraigPath. Coming up for us, we have Susan's show this afternoon. She's a very special guest. We're not telling you who because we don't want to adulterate or have there be the potential for any claims that the psychic knew who was coming or looked her up or looked them up or something.

Andrew Grohl next week with Wilk Wilkinson, Ted Ballacher, Courtney Moorhead, Ballacher as well, Josh Bernstein, Alison Monroe. We had, didn't we have Laura? I don't know what happened to that. Justine Bateman coming in and Jeff Dye should be interesting once we get into December. And of course, Kelly Victory sitting in for me, interviewing Ed Dowd on December 4th. So keep an eye on all that.

Let me quickly glance out at the restream. seeing what you guys are doing. Thank you, Gene Feist, for the comment about the show. When am I going to acknowledge the fact that I played a part in the mess at the ONS? Can somebody tell me what the ONS is? I played a part in the mess at the ONS. Caleb, do you know what the ONS is?

I played a part in the mess of the ONS, I guess. I'm going to look it up.

Yeah, I don't even know what they're talking about. Okay, well, good. I'm getting used to it. Let's see. Pandemic. Many have stopped seeing their doctor. That's not good. Office of National Statistics said, I caused a mess at the Office of National Statistics. Caleb, any theories how that might have happened?

And I'm also looking at you guys on the, oh, there's a lot of stuff on the rants I missed here. Give me a second here. The re, I had my re cup up here, guys. New mosquitoes are of the Aedes species. They can host dinghy, unlike the local Anopheles species is disturbing. Aedes are not naturally in home in Nebraska. That is true.

Having made it a legal issue, a political issue, not a medical issue, you get repercussions going both directions. And the interesting thing to me

And that's why the fact that, and the, of course, where do you think people go with the fact that we have the non-Anopheles Aedes species up here? First thing they do, they go, oh, it's climate change. Okay. That's what did it. That's it. By the way, there is a doctor. We should interview my friend now. He has a whole theory that the... Hold on a second.

A whole theory that the Zika virus story was also an hysteria. Because it turns out that really never happened. So I need to get to Emily Barsh about that to see if we can interview the doctor. I'm blanking on his name now. I've got it on here, but it's not showing up.

Yeah, it's going to be very good. All right, everybody. Thank you all for being here. We'll see you at three o'clock this afternoon for Susan's show. And I think we're in, let me double check the dates. Hold on here. We're not here on Monday. We're here on Tuesday at three o'clock with the Gruel, with Andrew Gruel. See you then. Ask Dr. Drew is produced by Caleb Nation and Susan Pinsky.

about that opioid story is Deborah Birx used the same playbook as the opioid pain medicine group did to bring upon the opioid pandemic here in the United States, which was she went from state to state and got the regulatory agencies, the political powers that be, the state medical societies to sign on. And that was that. And then it was on.

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It's so odd how you could put it like a ledger together and document topic by topic how the exact same thing went on in this pandemic. And maybe we need to have like a dynamic explanation and a frame, a name frame for it. If it shows up again, people can go, oh, it's that.

Yeah.

But there needs to be a similar way of understanding. That's your next book, Claire. I want you to write the next book about these phenomenon and what we should call them. And please choose a pejorative name. It shouldn't be something lovely. So can you bring me up to date? Go ahead.

We're going to talk about that and more after this. Our laws as it pertain to substances are draconian and bizarre. A psychopath started this. He was an alcoholic because of social media and pornography, PTSD, love addiction, fentanyl and heroin. Ridiculous. I'm a doctor for . Where the hell do you think I learned that? I'm just saying, you go to treatment before you kill people.

Yep, I agree. And certainly infected and infection are different words. Also, I saw on X today, somebody put a headline up. Oh my God, the NHS is reporting that people are vomiting from norovirus in the UK. They're vomiting from the norovirus. And I thought, oh my God. So what is the implication? That we should now shut down society because somebody might throw up? And or...

Is it, and this got a little more fundamental to me, that people are unwilling to accept the fact that they are biological agents and as such get sick, infectious and otherwise. It feels like the very nature of who we are as biological beings is being discarded or at least resisted.

Interesting. Oh, it's your next book. Let's put that in the ledger book. So before we get into the replicating mRNA vaccines, do you have any updates for us on vaccines in general?

Well, I know you're always in the zone in these topics. So whatever is on your mind and whatever you need to update people about.

I am a clinician. I observe things about these chemicals. Let's just deal with what's real. We used to get these calls on Loveline all the time. Educate adolescents and to prevent and to treat. If you have trouble, you can't stop and you want help stopping, I can help. I got a lot to say. I got a lot more to say.

And so what you get in this country is tons of pushback on that observation as having been caused by COVID virus itself. So the question becomes, how do we tease out what's COVID? I've been asking this question since 2020, which is what's COVID? What's vaccine? What's vaccine plus COVID?