Jessica Tarlov

But how about this?

Because I think we can do both.

I think that the imagery, you know, she's in front of the drapes, Colonial Williamsburg, et cetera.

You know, Abigail Spanberger is...

a very, a serious person.

She is a, you know, a person of great substance.

And I think that we should have, since this year, we did have a ton of counter-programming.

You know, a lot of Democrats didn't go.

There were a lot of empty seats.

You could feel that in the chamber, these big gaps.

I'm not sure I'm

mad about it, because to your point about decorum or tradition, it's all over.

Like, even people who love these institutions and, you know, yearn for a time where everybody would show up for each other and be polite have accepted the fact that we are irrevocably broken when it comes to our politics.

And we have to be devious and as—

Mitch McConnell about it as possible to just win as many seats so that we can get through policies that will benefit

the largest amount of Americans.

That's it.

Like, none of this playing games, like, just kind of stabbed me in the front, right, and not in the back anymore.

So I'm cool with it.

If you don't want to go to the State of the Union, you want to do the counter-programming.