Jessica Tarlov

Right.

The five year old boy who was detained and used as bait.

But right now he's literally deteriorating inside of a Texas detention facility.

Right.

So and for every Liam Ramos, there are dozens of others across the country who are in the same condition in detention facilities.

So it's bad all around.

There needs to be a complete overhaul.

So I think, yes, with the caveat, right?

I think, like, the jails is one thing.

I think in the public is a different thing.

So I think, like, and even in Minneapolis, they were cooperating with ICE detainers in jails already before all of this surge happened.

And I think you have, and I've said it from the beginning, you agree with me that like if you have a violent criminal in a jail and they are undocumented, like fine, like those are the people that I should be going after.

As far as like where it gets difficult for me is say, for example, you have an unhoused individual who is undocumented, did nothing wrong, never committed a crime, but is going to a homeless shelter.

You find out that they're undocumented and unhoused trying to get shelter and then you call ICE to go and detain them.

That's a problem to me.

I think that

I mean, for a long time, we've needed to have a conversation about immigration reform and like a path to citizenship for a lot of these people here in America.

So that's why I say like, yes, in terms of like the violent criminals, I'm fine with like mayors cooperating, but full cooperation involves apprehending a lot of people who probably shouldn't be apprehended.

Yeah.

Oh.