Jessica Tarlov

And this links back to our data conversation right from right off the bat from what people who are in charge of their political parties or in their communities are telling them is actually going on.

And I have...

felt like while that still carries a lot of weight, and I believe that strongly going, you know, to the big lie that over 60% of Republicans still think that Biden didn't legitimately win that election, that something has shifted even in just the last few months.

And it's different from...

and kind of taking a wrecking ball to the federal government, but kind of watching the unraveling of everything with ICE and what's going on in Minneapolis, and I know that you were talking about this as well on your show since the killing of Renee Nicole Good, that...

His lasting legacy might be destroying American democracy.

I don't I don't want to go too far.

I know that's kind of an extreme.

OK, I'd like to go there because that's how it feels to me right now.

And I have been heartened to see so many people out in the streets peacefully protesting.

I'm scared for.

A lot of people who are not peacefully protesting, though sometimes it seems like ICE doesn't even care.

But we're in a full spiral where this feels like a country that I don't recognize.

And I'm curious as to what you think about that.

Yeah, it definitely feels like the quote-unquote resistance has a direction at this moment instead of kind of the amorphous, you know, and I like the No Kings idea, and I get it that people want to show up and make their voices heard.

But when you went to the No Kings protests, there were people with signs about 50 different issues, right?

Whatever was something that was motivating them.

But it feels at this moment like there is a focus, right?

Like there is an immigration focus, an overreach of...

ICE agency, 3,000 people a day, quotas from Stephen Miller.