Jessica Tarlov

Or the tours that they were giving through Alligator Alcatraz in Miami that were apparently not reflective of the conditions that are going on there, where it was a swamp, no one was getting that medical care.

And the American people, it seeped into the consciousness, right?

ICE is extremely unpopular.

Donald Trump is underwater on every single metric.

And he took immigration, which was his best issue.

And it's, you know, anywhere from minus six to minus 12, depending on the survey.

How do you, as someone who is so clear-headed about the threat and the risk of this moment that we're in, speak about that in a way that doesn't make people...

I'm thinking back to how ineffective it was from a political strategy point of view to argue that, you know, Donald Trump is a threat to democracy.

We all saw January 6th and a majority of people just decided they didn't really care that much.

Right.

Whether they thought it was a day of love and a bunch of tourists like they moved on and they thought my grocery prices are too high.

And so I'm going to take this guy back and we'll see what he can do about it.

And I feel like a

I love that.

And some Democratic politicians listen to this.

So I hope that they heed your advice because I would love a democracy coom egg slogan that we could fit on a bumper sticker.

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