Jessica Tarlov

36% approval, minus 13 on immigration, minus 41 on cost of living, minus 33 on the economy, and minus 27 on foreign policy, obviously directly linked to what's going on with the war in Iran.

But...

The matchup between which party do you trust more does not sync with that at all.

Like, still on the economy, it's basically breaking even.

He's still up on handling immigration, crime and policing, the border.

What do you make of that?

Like, how is that not becoming a full circle moment?

So if the economy is bad enough, does that not offset their win for the culture war?

I totally agree.

I think it was the 10 in the NCAA.

I'm not sure about the high school level.

No, no, I totally agree with you.

My extension question then about the emotionality, because I think you're totally right.

And I spend all day with conservatives and I see what's animating them versus what's animating us.

And there's just a huge disconnect between that.

But is what went on with immigration enforcement a crossover into the emotionality issue?

Because it does,

Okay, so that is what happened.

You don't think they're going to?

You don't think there is ever any shame component?