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Jigar Shah

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264 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

It can wait until electricity is cheap, right? And that also allows us to make more of what we've already paid for. And so I think where we are now is people didn't have to think differently for the last 20 years. Today, they have to think differently. If they don't, then we're not going to be able to have all this economic growth.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

It can wait until electricity is cheap, right? And that also allows us to make more of what we've already paid for. And so I think where we are now is people didn't have to think differently for the last 20 years. Today, they have to think differently. If they don't, then we're not going to be able to have all this economic growth.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

I don't think that American innovators and entrepreneurs have a political party. They want to take their technology, they want to work with their venture capitalists, their private equity firms, their growth capital companies, and they want to build big things. And I don't think any politician wants to send American companies packing and saying, sorry, we don't want you to scale up stuff here.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

I don't think that American innovators and entrepreneurs have a political party. They want to take their technology, they want to work with their venture capitalists, their private equity firms, their growth capital companies, and they want to build big things. And I don't think any politician wants to send American companies packing and saying, sorry, we don't want you to scale up stuff here.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

Because let's make no mistake, American innovators and entrepreneurs are an unstoppable force. You cannot say no to them. If you say no to them, they will go to another country and scale up their technologies there. They will not be stopped around their ambition. That's why we love them so much. They walk through walls, right? It is an extraordinary thing to see.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

Because let's make no mistake, American innovators and entrepreneurs are an unstoppable force. You cannot say no to them. If you say no to them, they will go to another country and scale up their technologies there. They will not be stopped around their ambition. That's why we love them so much. They walk through walls, right? It is an extraordinary thing to see.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

And I can't imagine any politician not wanting American entrepreneurs and innovators to win.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

And I can't imagine any politician not wanting American entrepreneurs and innovators to win.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

Look, I mean, I don't think people love the tweets. I don't think people love a lot of the rhetoric that's coming out of people's social media right now. But I think that they're working hard to do big things in this country. And they are going to play it out. They're going to work with governors. They're going to work with all of their champions.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

Look, I mean, I don't think people love the tweets. I don't think people love a lot of the rhetoric that's coming out of people's social media right now. But I think that they're working hard to do big things in this country. And they are going to play it out. They're going to work with governors. They're going to work with all of their champions.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

And they're going to try to make sure that the policy here in the United States continues to allow them to raise equity. Because remember, we're private sector-led, government-enabled. And so the private sector still has to write that big check to build that facility in Nebraska or in Kansas or in Georgia or in Tennessee or in Kentucky.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

And they're going to try to make sure that the policy here in the United States continues to allow them to raise equity. Because remember, we're private sector-led, government-enabled. And so the private sector still has to write that big check to build that facility in Nebraska or in Kansas or in Georgia or in Tennessee or in Kentucky.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

And if they don't write that big check, then they're going to have to go to Plan B and Plan C. And so I just think that in general, these people are very practical people. They just want their technologies to be scaled up.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

And if they don't write that big check, then they're going to have to go to Plan B and Plan C. And so I just think that in general, these people are very practical people. They just want their technologies to be scaled up.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

I don't know. I mean, look, I think that we are making commitments on behalf of the US government. When the government makes commitments to an outside party, that outside party expects the government to honor those commitments, right? I think in the past, all commitments have been honored. I expect in the future. all commitments will be honored, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

I don't know. I mean, look, I think that we are making commitments on behalf of the US government. When the government makes commitments to an outside party, that outside party expects the government to honor those commitments, right? I think in the past, all commitments have been honored. I expect in the future. all commitments will be honored, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

I mean, this is the whole point of trust, right? And so if you're worried that after you get a loan commitment, that that commitment is not real, well, then why would you subject yourself to the process of getting a loan? If the government doesn't keep its promises, then it makes all applicants suffer, whether they're in the preferred sector or the not preferred sector.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

I mean, this is the whole point of trust, right? And so if you're worried that after you get a loan commitment, that that commitment is not real, well, then why would you subject yourself to the process of getting a loan? If the government doesn't keep its promises, then it makes all applicants suffer, whether they're in the preferred sector or the not preferred sector.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

So I can't imagine for a second that people of any stripe, want to hold back American innovators and entrepreneurs. They're going to fail. They're going to succeed. And frankly, we did not get a lot of blowback for the other loans that were done in a different way, like when they failed. So we're going to have a lot more failures. That is why the government is supposed to lean in.

The Ezra Klein Show
Yes, Biden’s Green Future Can Still Happen Under Trump

So I can't imagine for a second that people of any stripe, want to hold back American innovators and entrepreneurs. They're going to fail. They're going to succeed. And frankly, we did not get a lot of blowback for the other loans that were done in a different way, like when they failed. So we're going to have a lot more failures. That is why the government is supposed to lean in.