Jill

There was a concern that Bart and Krista had been kidnapped by this couple that picked them up early that morning, and something had been done to them by them.

There was a concern that Bart and Krista had been kidnapped by this couple that picked them up early that morning, and something had been done to them by them.

I think the police were very concerned that they were going to find two dead people there.

I think the police were very concerned that they were going to find two dead people there.

Oh, yes. And there's one house where they have more of a professional surveillance system on the home. So he speaks to the woman there.

Oh, yes. And there's one house where they have more of a professional surveillance system on the home. So he speaks to the woman there.

He discovers that one is a wide angled camera. He looks to see what part of the street that would cover.

He discovers that one is a wide angled camera. He looks to see what part of the street that would cover.

We don't know.

We don't know.

He asks, could there be any footage of my parents being driven away early in the morning on the 2nd? Do you have any footage? It would be maybe helpful to the investigation to see what kind of car picked them up, of course.

He asks, could there be any footage of my parents being driven away early in the morning on the 2nd? Do you have any footage? It would be maybe helpful to the investigation to see what kind of car picked them up, of course.

So now, where is Krista? Could it be that she was also involved in Bart's murder?

So now, where is Krista? Could it be that she was also involved in Bart's murder?

Bart and Krista, they weren't rich, but they were comfortable.

Bart and Krista, they weren't rich, but they were comfortable.

So now, where is Krista? Could it be that she was also involved in Bart's murder?

So now, where is Krista? Could it be that she was also involved in Bart's murder?

Chandler had told his family about this great job opportunity he had been given with SpaceX. He would move to Florida, and actually he would bring his girlfriend with him.

Chandler had told his family about this great job opportunity he had been given with SpaceX. He would move to Florida, and actually he would bring his girlfriend with him.

He was taken to the hospital, and he was diagnosed with a head injury.

He was taken to the hospital, and he was diagnosed with a head injury.

It seemed like he would not be able to take the job at SpaceX. He wouldn't be able to help around the house. He wasn't even able to walk properly. And after that, Chandler required help. His mother would assist him going up and down stairs, would bring him meals.

It seemed like he would not be able to take the job at SpaceX. He wouldn't be able to help around the house. He wasn't even able to walk properly. And after that, Chandler required help. His mother would assist him going up and down stairs, would bring him meals.

She wasn't answering her phone. The co-worker had decided to go over to the house and make sure she was okay. When he looked in the garage, both of the Halderson's cars were there.

She wasn't answering her phone. The co-worker had decided to go over to the house and make sure she was okay. When he looked in the garage, both of the Halderson's cars were there.

As far as we know, no one saw the Haldersons that day.

As far as we know, no one saw the Haldersons that day.

And nobody knew who that couple was. There was a concern that Bart and Krista had been kidnapped by this couple that picked them up early that morning.

And nobody knew who that couple was. There was a concern that Bart and Krista had been kidnapped by this couple that picked them up early that morning.

We're rolling now.

We're rolling now.

I'm Jill.

I'm Jill.

And we do the True Crime Brewery podcast. We're very fascinated with true crime and just love to really figure out what's going on behind the scenes.

And we do the True Crime Brewery podcast. We're very fascinated with true crime and just love to really figure out what's going on behind the scenes.

So, you know, we've been talking more and more about these cases.

So, you know, we've been talking more and more about these cases.

Today we're covering a case from Wisconsin.

Today we're covering a case from Wisconsin.

I feel like it brings together the personality of the city where the crime happened. Bart and Krista Halderson, they are just everybody's neighbor, everybody's family member, just working hard. trying to take care of their children, trying to provide the best for their family.

I feel like it brings together the personality of the city where the crime happened. Bart and Krista Halderson, they are just everybody's neighbor, everybody's family member, just working hard. trying to take care of their children, trying to provide the best for their family.

Bart and Krista had not told anyone that they had a plan to go away for 4th of July weekend.

Bart and Krista had not told anyone that they had a plan to go away for 4th of July weekend.

He also said that they brought alcohol and cash with them.

He also said that they brought alcohol and cash with them.

There was a concern that Bart and Krista had been kidnapped by this couple that picked them up early that morning, and something had been done to them by them.

I think the police were very concerned that they were going to find two dead people there.

Oh, yes. And there's one house where they have more of a professional surveillance system on the home. So he speaks to the woman there.

He discovers that one is a wide angled camera. He looks to see what part of the street that would cover.

We don't know.

He asks, could there be any footage of my parents being driven away early in the morning on the 2nd? Do you have any footage? It would be maybe helpful to the investigation to see what kind of car picked them up, of course.

So now, where is Krista? Could it be that she was also involved in Bart's murder?

Bart and Krista, they weren't rich, but they were comfortable.

So now, where is Krista? Could it be that she was also involved in Bart's murder?

Chandler had told his family about this great job opportunity he had been given with SpaceX. He would move to Florida, and actually he would bring his girlfriend with him.

He was taken to the hospital, and he was diagnosed with a head injury.

It seemed like he would not be able to take the job at SpaceX. He wouldn't be able to help around the house. He wasn't even able to walk properly. And after that, Chandler required help. His mother would assist him going up and down stairs, would bring him meals.

She wasn't answering her phone. The co-worker had decided to go over to the house and make sure she was okay. When he looked in the garage, both of the Halderson's cars were there.

As far as we know, no one saw the Haldersons that day.

And nobody knew who that couple was. There was a concern that Bart and Krista had been kidnapped by this couple that picked them up early that morning.

We're rolling now.

I'm Jill.

And we do the True Crime Brewery podcast. We're very fascinated with true crime and just love to really figure out what's going on behind the scenes.

So, you know, we've been talking more and more about these cases.

Today we're covering a case from Wisconsin.

I feel like it brings together the personality of the city where the crime happened. Bart and Krista Halderson, they are just everybody's neighbor, everybody's family member, just working hard. trying to take care of their children, trying to provide the best for their family.

Bart and Krista had not told anyone that they had a plan to go away for 4th of July weekend.

He also said that they brought alcohol and cash with them.

Okay.

Okay.

I'm 32. Man, you know. I know. So what's the hang up? Give me a 10 second hang up.

I'm 32. Man, you know. I know. So what's the hang up? Give me a 10 second hang up.

Okay.

I'm 32. Man, you know. I know. So what's the hang up? Give me a 10 second hang up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We've been training since May for this. Alice is only 13, so she's done an amazing job today. And kept me going as well. We helped each other through that. The last hill, definitely. It's really steep. That last hill is, yeah, it's like nothing else. We come from Mercedon, yeah.

We've been training since May for this. Alice is only 13, so she's done an amazing job today. And kept me going as well. We helped each other through that. The last hill, definitely. It's really steep. That last hill is, yeah, it's like nothing else. We come from Mercedon, yeah.

I did it in 2021, but it was Alice's first time.

I did it in 2021, but it was Alice's first time.

Yeah, we're hoping to do the 10k at some point. It's amazing. She was talking about this at the beginning of the race and she's still talking about it at the end. So, yeah, no, that's always a good sign.

Yeah, we're hoping to do the 10k at some point. It's amazing. She was talking about this at the beginning of the race and she's still talking about it at the end. So, yeah, no, that's always a good sign.

My name's Jill Twombly and I'm St John Ambulance, which I've enjoyed doing. I mean, it's not like work, you know, you've got to do it, but it's my hobby, as I can say.

My name's Jill Twombly and I'm St John Ambulance, which I've enjoyed doing. I mean, it's not like work, you know, you've got to do it, but it's my hobby, as I can say.

It's 60 years this year.

It's 60 years this year.

Well, I started off as a president of Redhill Cadets, the then cadet officer of the county for the nursing cadets, the girls, because the girls and the boys were separated then. She said to me, when are you going to come and help me out by doing the county? And I said, yes, I will at the right time. And in those days, we did a lot of training with the police in Redhill again.

Well, I started off as a president of Redhill Cadets, the then cadet officer of the county for the nursing cadets, the girls, because the girls and the boys were separated then. She said to me, when are you going to come and help me out by doing the county? And I said, yes, I will at the right time. And in those days, we did a lot of training with the police in Redhill again.

And she said, I'll take you around the county visiting all the young people. And then she did this and then she said, I'm retiring next week. I was in it. Didn't have a choice. But it's been fun. No, it's lovely. It's a lovely organisation. And then I became a deputy commissioner for youth. And then what did I do next? Gosh, such a long time ago. I became a deputy commissioner for the county.

And she said, I'll take you around the county visiting all the young people. And then she did this and then she said, I'm retiring next week. I was in it. Didn't have a choice. But it's been fun. No, it's lovely. It's a lovely organisation. And then I became a deputy commissioner for youth. And then what did I do next? Gosh, such a long time ago. I became a deputy commissioner for the county.

And the commissioner was commuting between Yorkshire and here for his work. And I thought, well, I'm really not doing anything. So I said, please, can I go back and look after the youth? because he gave me a job. And I took over from him when he'd done his six years. It's a lovely organisation. The people are lovely. I've loved it. I love meeting the people. That's me. I'm a people person.

And the commissioner was commuting between Yorkshire and here for his work. And I thought, well, I'm really not doing anything. So I said, please, can I go back and look after the youth? because he gave me a job. And I took over from him when he'd done his six years. It's a lovely organisation. The people are lovely. I've loved it. I love meeting the people. That's me. I'm a people person.

So you get to know them, you visit them, and you become friends with them.

So you get to know them, you visit them, and you become friends with them.

Yes, particularly we help the ambulance side and the older cadets are working in hospitals, you know, for the weekend.

Yes, particularly we help the ambulance side and the older cadets are working in hospitals, you know, for the weekend.

I find that it's a certain type of person. They're a very caring sort of person and love being around people. And also they have to work hard because getting your first aid certificate isn't a matter of just reading a book and saying, I've done it. They have to be tested. The young people are doing more and more work.

I find that it's a certain type of person. They're a very caring sort of person and love being around people. And also they have to work hard because getting your first aid certificate isn't a matter of just reading a book and saying, I've done it. They have to be tested. The young people are doing more and more work.

of the type of work that the adults are doing on duty mind you they are trained for it so and then most of those will go on to nursing or medicine it's lovely seeing them come back and they're they're a doctor or something and when we do the derby you get a lot of doctors will come back and help us and they're ex-cadets so you know which is lovely

of the type of work that the adults are doing on duty mind you they are trained for it so and then most of those will go on to nursing or medicine it's lovely seeing them come back and they're they're a doctor or something and when we do the derby you get a lot of doctors will come back and help us and they're ex-cadets so you know which is lovely

I love these occasions, actually, because just the number of people here. It's nice to see some Redhill and Hawley, Reigate and Banstead.

I love these occasions, actually, because just the number of people here. It's nice to see some Redhill and Hawley, Reigate and Banstead.

I'm good, Dave. How are you?

I'm good, Dave. How are you?

Atlanta, Georgia.

Atlanta, Georgia.

$102,000.

$102,000.

About 27 months.

About 27 months.

Started at around $60,000 and ended up at $124,000. Cool. Good for you. Well done. What kind of debt was the $102,000? Let's see, about $11,000 in credit cards, about $9,000 in medical bills and some IRS debt, and then $82,000 in student loan.

Started at around $60,000 and ended up at $124,000. Cool. Good for you. Well done. What kind of debt was the $102,000? Let's see, about $11,000 in credit cards, about $9,000 in medical bills and some IRS debt, and then $82,000 in student loan.

Yes.

Yes.

No, it was not.

No, it was not.

Yeah, so actually my story starts back in 2018. I was working full-time and decided I want to go to graduate school. But even then I told myself I'm not going to take any more student loan. If I'm going to go to school I have to pay for this in cash.

Yeah, so actually my story starts back in 2018. I was working full-time and decided I want to go to graduate school. But even then I told myself I'm not going to take any more student loan. If I'm going to go to school I have to pay for this in cash.

And then that fall my church was hosting FPU and I said yes this is my chance to make sure I'm doing this right and not have to take out any loan and just make this whole process a little bit easier. So I did that, and I can tell you, Dave, I completely, 100% cash flowed my master's program.

And then that fall my church was hosting FPU and I said yes this is my chance to make sure I'm doing this right and not have to take out any loan and just make this whole process a little bit easier. So I did that, and I can tell you, Dave, I completely, 100% cash flowed my master's program.

Yes. Got that done.

Yes. Got that done.

Nutrition and dietetics.

Nutrition and dietetics.

Yes. So then later, the end of 2019, due to some contract changes, all the dietitians and myself, we were all let go from our hospital. And so starting 2020, I had started a new job and then we all know what happened in 2020. COVID happened. And so I just kind of went in survival mode. I had finished paying that last semester of grad school.

Yes. So then later, the end of 2019, due to some contract changes, all the dietitians and myself, we were all let go from our hospital. And so starting 2020, I had started a new job and then we all know what happened in 2020. COVID happened. And so I just kind of went in survival mode. I had finished paying that last semester of grad school.

And so I just wanted to save because I had just lost my job recently. You know, I didn't know what was going to happen with COVID. So I just kind of started saving and just, you know, continue to work some side hustles and some side gigs just to see, you know, kind of what happened.

And so I just wanted to save because I had just lost my job recently. You know, I didn't know what was going to happen with COVID. So I just kind of started saving and just, you know, continue to work some side hustles and some side gigs just to see, you know, kind of what happened.

So once I got settled in my job and, you know, had kind of built up some savings, all right, let's get this started again. So I tackled the medical bills and the credit card debt on about 10 months. Wow. Yeah. And then so I was like, okay, I can breathe a second. I've paid off some of these big ones. All I have left is the student loan.

So once I got settled in my job and, you know, had kind of built up some savings, all right, let's get this started again. So I tackled the medical bills and the credit card debt on about 10 months. Wow. Yeah. And then so I was like, okay, I can breathe a second. I've paid off some of these big ones. All I have left is the student loan.

So at that time, I decided to move to Atlanta for a new job opportunity, pay raise, all that kind of stuff. And then I was like, OK, we're settled. Let's do this. But the thing, Dave, is my student loans were private. So while everyone else's student loans were on pause, the interest payments, all that this whole time might have been going.

So at that time, I decided to move to Atlanta for a new job opportunity, pay raise, all that kind of stuff. And then I was like, OK, we're settled. Let's do this. But the thing, Dave, is my student loans were private. So while everyone else's student loans were on pause, the interest payments, all that this whole time might have been going.

And so I could have paused my loans, but I was like, the interest is still going to go. I just can't take this anymore. It is keeping me from having time to do what I want, I'm working all these jobs, I can't save for a house, I can't have a car emergency, nothing. And so I was like, okay, we're doing this. This is the Goliath I'm looking at, let's go, let's do it.

And so I could have paused my loans, but I was like, the interest is still going to go. I just can't take this anymore. It is keeping me from having time to do what I want, I'm working all these jobs, I can't save for a house, I can't have a car emergency, nothing. And so I was like, okay, we're doing this. This is the Goliath I'm looking at, let's go, let's do it.

So January of 23, I put my foot on the gas pedal and had a full-time job, two part-time jobs, two other side hustles. I was doing 60, 70, sometimes 80 hours a week trying to pay this off. And then my church in Atlanta did FPU again. And so I was like, okay, this is – Baby Step 3 is actually in sight. Like, I'm getting so close. I'm in, like, the last six miles of this marathon.

So January of 23, I put my foot on the gas pedal and had a full-time job, two part-time jobs, two other side hustles. I was doing 60, 70, sometimes 80 hours a week trying to pay this off. And then my church in Atlanta did FPU again. And so I was like, okay, this is – Baby Step 3 is actually in sight. Like, I'm getting so close. I'm in, like, the last six miles of this marathon.

Like, I can do this. So I had a great support system through that. And then in May of this year, I made my final student loan payment.

Like, I can do this. So I had a great support system through that. And then in May of this year, I made my final student loan payment.

I did.

I did.

It did. It did.

It did. It did.

You're free now. I am. I am. I finally have time to do the things I want to do, get more involved in my church, investing in people, and just being able to live. It's very freeing.

You're free now. I am. I am. I finally have time to do the things I want to do, get more involved in my church, investing in people, and just being able to live. It's very freeing.

Oh, man. My parents first. First of all, when I made that last student loan payment, I had them on FaceTime. And they were with me when I hit send or hit pay, and we all just cried. I love it. It was great. My aunts and uncles, my coworkers are amazing. When I paid off my debt, they had a little party for me, had a little banner made that said, Jill is debt-free.

Oh, man. My parents first. First of all, when I made that last student loan payment, I had them on FaceTime. And they were with me when I hit send or hit pay, and we all just cried. I love it. It was great. My aunts and uncles, my coworkers are amazing. When I paid off my debt, they had a little party for me, had a little banner made that said, Jill is debt-free.

Correct.

Correct.

oh, yes, people were like, well, why are you paying this off? Like, you need to be investing. And I said, well, these student loans, this is keeping me from investing in my future, and this is keeping me from living. And I'm doing it this way, and here I am on the Dave Ramsey Show.

oh, yes, people were like, well, why are you paying this off? Like, you need to be investing. And I said, well, these student loans, this is keeping me from investing in my future, and this is keeping me from living. And I'm doing it this way, and here I am on the Dave Ramsey Show.

Yeah, so first and foremost, my faith in Jesus Christ is what helped me get through it. Having that great support system to help keep me accountable. And then when I got to the student loan part, I was at $82,000. And I was like, okay, so I made some payments, got into the 70s. And I was like, okay, how fast can I get to the 60s? And then I just kept going. So I made it a game.

Yeah, so first and foremost, my faith in Jesus Christ is what helped me get through it. Having that great support system to help keep me accountable. And then when I got to the student loan part, I was at $82,000. And I was like, okay, so I made some payments, got into the 70s. And I was like, okay, how fast can I get to the 60s? And then I just kept going. So I made it a game.

And I took the power back. that that debt had over me and made it, how fast can I do this? And that really changed my mindset. So changing that mindset and having that support system is huge.

And I took the power back. that that debt had over me and made it, how fast can I do this? And that really changed my mindset. So changing that mindset and having that support system is huge.

It's not.

It's not.

Well, Dave, you know how you tell people when they pay their house off that grass feels different? Dave, buying groceries feels different now. Being able to say yes to trips or friends are going to this restaurant, this new place opened in Atlanta, let's all go. Being able to say yes to that, just being able to change my priorities and my time, it's been amazing.

Well, Dave, you know how you tell people when they pay their house off that grass feels different? Dave, buying groceries feels different now. Being able to say yes to trips or friends are going to this restaurant, this new place opened in Atlanta, let's all go. Being able to say yes to that, just being able to change my priorities and my time, it's been amazing.

Deleting the student loan app off my phone was huge.

Deleting the student loan app off my phone was huge.

Yes, that was a moment. You are now dust. Done.

Yes, that was a moment. You are now dust. Done.

Never again will I go back.

Never again will I go back.

uh obviously coming to nashville my family we're all going to texas next month to celebrate another family member's birthday um so i got to do that and i was recently promoted i'm a registered dietitian and i was promoted to clinical nutrition manager somehow i'm not shocked yeah in the midst of working your tail off they go hey she's a hard worker let's give her the job

uh obviously coming to nashville my family we're all going to texas next month to celebrate another family member's birthday um so i got to do that and i was recently promoted i'm a registered dietitian and i was promoted to clinical nutrition manager somehow i'm not shocked yeah in the midst of working your tail off they go hey she's a hard worker let's give her the job

Yes, yes, God was just blessing. That student loan balance coming down, the job opportunity came in. I finally got to get rid of some of these side hustles, and I'm just excited what God has in the future.

Yes, yes, God was just blessing. That student loan balance coming down, the job opportunity came in. I finally got to get rid of some of these side hustles, and I'm just excited what God has in the future.

Thank you.

Thank you.

36.

36.

I'm glad I made you proud.

I'm glad I made you proud.

Three, two, one. I'm debt-free! Yeah!

Three, two, one. I'm debt-free! Yeah!

If you want something to really sustain you or you want to truly survive, one of my dad's friends used to say that every time we'd say, how are you doing? And he had kind of gone the celebrate recovery route. So his radical life outside of Jesus was pretty much with the same velocity, I guess, as his coming to Christ.

If you want something to really sustain you or you want to truly survive, one of my dad's friends used to say that every time we'd say, how are you doing? And he had kind of gone the celebrate recovery route. So his radical life outside of Jesus was pretty much with the same velocity, I guess, as his coming to Christ.

But every time I'd ask him how he was doing, he'd say, I'm just trying to survive. Which we always laughed, but really when you start reading this, I mean, Jesus is survival. You're not at threat to lose anything inside of Jesus. Now I look back on the statement thinking, that's a little low.

But every time I'd ask him how he was doing, he'd say, I'm just trying to survive. Which we always laughed, but really when you start reading this, I mean, Jesus is survival. You're not at threat to lose anything inside of Jesus. Now I look back on the statement thinking, that's a little low.

I mean, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, we're not thinking big enough. That was my cliffhanging moment that Jesus would later kind of throw bread under the bus.

I mean, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, we're not thinking big enough. That was my cliffhanging moment that Jesus would later kind of throw bread under the bus.

You're leaving out the real, real word. She sent us some real cheese. Real cheese. From Wisconsin.

You're leaving out the real, real word. She sent us some real cheese. Real cheese. From Wisconsin.

I mean, that— I think that's where you'll get the disagreement, because some people, they don't think people do that. They don't say, I'm done. Yeah. So, which they get in, I think they use some of the verses in John 6 to get there, which, I mean, we're eventually going to have to just read it.

I mean, that— I think that's where you'll get the disagreement, because some people, they don't think people do that. They don't say, I'm done. Yeah. So, which they get in, I think they use some of the verses in John 6 to get there, which, I mean, we're eventually going to have to just read it.

It basically comes down to this argument. Is the difference in knowing about Jesus? You can know about cheese, and there are products out there that say, It looks like cheese. But when you come to know cheese, real cheese, and you see where I'm headed with this. Y'all are working for cheese that spoils. No, that's the biblical type.

It basically comes down to this argument. Is the difference in knowing about Jesus? You can know about cheese, and there are products out there that say, It looks like cheese. But when you come to know cheese, real cheese, and you see where I'm headed with this. Y'all are working for cheese that spoils. No, that's the biblical type.

I think it comes down to just us having a hard time realizing that God is using people despite their flaws.

I think it comes down to just us having a hard time realizing that God is using people despite their flaws.

to show that he does reveal himself on the earth. I mean, last night I saw there was, you know, TV. Let's face it, most of it is junk. And all of a sudden, old Tebow was doing a commercial. So I stopped what I was doing. I actually didn't even have the volume on. The TV was just background. I turned it up.

to show that he does reveal himself on the earth. I mean, last night I saw there was, you know, TV. Let's face it, most of it is junk. And all of a sudden, old Tebow was doing a commercial. So I stopped what I was doing. I actually didn't even have the volume on. The TV was just background. I turned it up.

And I only saw it once, but it was basically he was showing, like, people in pain and kids that had some form of, you know, suffering that was obvious. And he was like, you created the universe. you know, has, he uses people. And if you realize that you've been sent from God with a purpose, you'll run these people in need. It was just like, join us.

And I only saw it once, but it was basically he was showing, like, people in pain and kids that had some form of, you know, suffering that was obvious. And he was like, you created the universe. you know, has, he uses people. And if you realize that you've been sent from God with a purpose, you'll run these people in need. It was just like, join us.

Yeah. Because I thought that, because people's big question is, well, how come there's so much suffering in the world if there's a God? And, and, I mean, there's no God. Look at what's happening. And well, here was a guy who used to play football for Florida using this platform saying, yeah, that's why we're here. God is intervening.

Yeah. Because I thought that, because people's big question is, well, how come there's so much suffering in the world if there's a God? And, and, I mean, there's no God. Look at what's happening. And well, here was a guy who used to play football for Florida using this platform saying, yeah, that's why we're here. God is intervening.

You know, not only did he send Jesus, he's not oblivious of suffering. He entered it. as a man and participated in it. And conquered it.

You know, not only did he send Jesus, he's not oblivious of suffering. He entered it. as a man and participated in it. And conquered it.

And passed the test. But when you kind of look at the Old Testament history, what he's trying to get them to bridge the gap is, look, you see, there was a bunch of shadows everywhere. that was predicting me coming here. And you start thinking about Moses and Noah and Abraham and even Job. You have this one person that God has chosen to reveal a way to survive. And have hope and promise.

And passed the test. But when you kind of look at the Old Testament history, what he's trying to get them to bridge the gap is, look, you see, there was a bunch of shadows everywhere. that was predicting me coming here. And you start thinking about Moses and Noah and Abraham and even Job. You have this one person that God has chosen to reveal a way to survive. And have hope and promise.

And even though all of them eventually didn't pass the test, they either did something really stupid that you're like, boy, they did something great, and then they did something stupid. Or they died. Like Job, I mean, eventually he got all his blessings back, but at the end of the day, he died. And that was it. And it moved on. And he still lost all his kids.

And even though all of them eventually didn't pass the test, they either did something really stupid that you're like, boy, they did something great, and then they did something stupid. Or they died. Like Job, I mean, eventually he got all his blessings back, but at the end of the day, he died. And that was it. And it moved on. And he still lost all his kids.

This is the same difference in knowing about Jesus and knowing Jesus.

This is the same difference in knowing about Jesus and knowing Jesus.

But you see now Jesus, and it makes me think of that verse in 2 Corinthians 5 when it says, for when he died, Jesus, all died. He basically made God through the one, chosen one, his own son, allowed everybody to die to their old self and By him dying for forgiveness. Because he passed the test, which we just mentioned, the temptation by the evil one. Well, he passed that test.

But you see now Jesus, and it makes me think of that verse in 2 Corinthians 5 when it says, for when he died, Jesus, all died. He basically made God through the one, chosen one, his own son, allowed everybody to die to their old self and By him dying for forgiveness. Because he passed the test, which we just mentioned, the temptation by the evil one. Well, he passed that test.

Every other person that was a human failed that test at some point. And so you're thinking, okay, well, let's give him an award, a ceremony. And no, he winds up dying. So the rest of us could die to our old selves and live. I mean, that's what 2 Corinthians basically 5 says. And then he now uses us.

Every other person that was a human failed that test at some point. And so you're thinking, okay, well, let's give him an award, a ceremony. And no, he winds up dying. So the rest of us could die to our old selves and live. I mean, that's what 2 Corinthians basically 5 says. And then he now uses us.

as ambassadors for him, which is why we're running to the pains and the problems and the suffering. And so, and you know, you say, well, you're not doing the miracles that he was doing because that was a sign to show who he is.

as ambassadors for him, which is why we're running to the pains and the problems and the suffering. And so, and you know, you say, well, you're not doing the miracles that he was doing because that was a sign to show who he is.

Yeah, we're the image of God. We're supposed to be reflecting God's presence.

Yeah, we're the image of God. We're supposed to be reflecting God's presence.

I think it's a good point. But I do think that there's nothing wrong with the point of, are you going to trust what God said or you want to go out on your own? I mean, I agree, but they were also, it came down to that.

I think it's a good point. But I do think that there's nothing wrong with the point of, are you going to trust what God said or you want to go out on your own? I mean, I agree, but they were also, it came down to that.

Test or trust. But believe what?

Test or trust. But believe what?

Romans 8. Yeah. Which is how you operate. I'm glad you brought this up. Because I think when you brought up Hebrews 11 earlier, that really explains it. To me, the best, because somebody asked me one time in a Q&A after I had spoken, did Jesus time travel? And I was like, can you be more specific? But it was basically in this previous story that we read when they were in the boat.

Romans 8. Yeah. Which is how you operate. I'm glad you brought this up. Because I think when you brought up Hebrews 11 earlier, that really explains it. To me, the best, because somebody asked me one time in a Q&A after I had spoken, did Jesus time travel? And I was like, can you be more specific? But it was basically in this previous story that we read when they were in the boat.

And it says immediately it reached its destination after he walked on the water. Have you ever thought about that? Yeah. Nobody ever talks about it because it seems weird. It's kind of like when Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch He, you know, he shared about Jesus from Isaiah. He was reading it, and he taught him about Jesus. Then he's like, stop the chariot.

And it says immediately it reached its destination after he walked on the water. Have you ever thought about that? Yeah. Nobody ever talks about it because it seems weird. It's kind of like when Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch He, you know, he shared about Jesus from Isaiah. He was reading it, and he taught him about Jesus. Then he's like, stop the chariot.

And they found some water out in the middle of nowhere, baptized him, baptized him. And the eunuch went on his way rejoicing. And then it says... Philip was basically teletransported to somewhere else. It's like, whoa, what was that? Was that time travel? So that was the basic part of the question. I'm just giving you the context because I think it's an interesting thought.

And they found some water out in the middle of nowhere, baptized him, baptized him. And the eunuch went on his way rejoicing. And then it says... Philip was basically teletransported to somewhere else. It's like, whoa, what was that? Was that time travel? So that was the basic part of the question. I'm just giving you the context because I think it's an interesting thought.

Where I went to answer the question was Hebrews 11. Because, so I'll go through all of the, Moses, Abraham, kind of what Jesus is doing here. You know, remember Moses, wrote about me, but you're not believing that? And then he gets to the last verse, and I'm going to tie this in with what Jill just said. And then it says in verse, what is it, 39? Yeah, the last verse.

Where I went to answer the question was Hebrews 11. Because, so I'll go through all of the, Moses, Abraham, kind of what Jesus is doing here. You know, remember Moses, wrote about me, but you're not believing that? And then he gets to the last verse, and I'm going to tie this in with what Jill just said. And then it says in verse, what is it, 39? Yeah, the last verse.

These were all commended for their faith, which what is faith? Trust and believing and being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. This trusting. They were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planned something better for us so that they only together with us would be made perfect.

These were all commended for their faith, which what is faith? Trust and believing and being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. This trusting. They were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planned something better for us so that they only together with us would be made perfect.

And I was like, the time travel thing was Jesus' – God's grace through Jesus went backwards and forwards, which I was trying to be kind of coy, I guess. Just saying, look, his – What Jesus did on the cross and the resurrection, that saved people before, presently, and after. It was like a time travel moment, which is maybe why we count time by Jesus.

And I was like, the time travel thing was Jesus' – God's grace through Jesus went backwards and forwards, which I was trying to be kind of coy, I guess. Just saying, look, his – What Jesus did on the cross and the resurrection, that saved people before, presently, and after. It was like a time travel moment, which is maybe why we count time by Jesus.

But then the next verse, which shouldn't be a break there, but it gets to chapter 12, and it says, Well, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, so now all these people... He's referring to present form as in, oh, they're not dead. I mean, even though they're dead, the past.

But then the next verse, which shouldn't be a break there, but it gets to chapter 12, and it says, Well, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, so now all these people... He's referring to present form as in, oh, they're not dead. I mean, even though they're dead, the past.

Let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily untangles, which you mentioned about the evil one using that against us. And let us run with perseverance, the race marked out for us. And let us fix our eyes on Jesus. Mm-hmm.

Let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily untangles, which you mentioned about the evil one using that against us. And let us run with perseverance, the race marked out for us. And let us fix our eyes on Jesus. Mm-hmm.

which is what this is really being made in the image of him, looking at him saying, oh, this is the gift from heaven for everyone before, during, and after that we'll be. I mean, I think that's kind of the main point, which is why you're going back to the garden, and I agree. I really think Jesus on the cross, which was made from a tree,

which is what this is really being made in the image of him, looking at him saying, oh, this is the gift from heaven for everyone before, during, and after that we'll be. I mean, I think that's kind of the main point, which is why you're going back to the garden, and I agree. I really think Jesus on the cross, which was made from a tree,

was actually the new creation symbolic of the choice of, look at this tree of life. I mean, the tree of Jesus' death actually became the tree of life once again that would be eternal.

was actually the new creation symbolic of the choice of, look at this tree of life. I mean, the tree of Jesus' death actually became the tree of life once again that would be eternal.

John Six has been quite the study. I actually didn't study last night because my brain was hurting from doing the podcast with you yesterday. Yeah.

John Six has been quite the study. I actually didn't study last night because my brain was hurting from doing the podcast with you yesterday. Yeah.

Well, that's why I'm making that illustration about the cross. That is the fruit that God is offering on a tree, which is his son. And you eat of that. It's like a return to the tree of life that was keeping them alive. Yeah.

Well, that's why I'm making that illustration about the cross. That is the fruit that God is offering on a tree, which is his son. And you eat of that. It's like a return to the tree of life that was keeping them alive. Yeah.

We didn't talk about that, but we had seven people and a dog. Yeah. And look, I just want to say this. About halfway through the last podcast we did, I heard this sound, and I thought, there's one of these guys who are snoring. I heard it too. During our podcast. I was wondering if it showed up.

We didn't talk about that, but we had seven people and a dog. Yeah. And look, I just want to say this. About halfway through the last podcast we did, I heard this sound, and I thought, there's one of these guys who are snoring. I heard it too. During our podcast. I was wondering if it showed up.

I could hear it. And so I didn't want to look because I thought, are we that boring? I just didn't want to look, but it kept getting louder and louder. And finally I said, I've got to find who's snoring. Yes. So when I look, then I realize it's the dog. We literally put the dog to sleep. Which made me realize, you know, this dog doesn't have a demon or anything. It's just perfectly comfortable.

I could hear it. And so I didn't want to look because I thought, are we that boring? I just didn't want to look, but it kept getting louder and louder. And finally I said, I've got to find who's snoring. Yes. So when I look, then I realize it's the dog. We literally put the dog to sleep. Which made me realize, you know, this dog doesn't have a demon or anything. It's just perfectly comfortable.

You need a different kind of bread, which is why I went to that Matthew 6 because it was like, This is about your existence. You're an eternal. That's why he's using eternal life here. But in prayer, it was the same concept.

You need a different kind of bread, which is why I went to that Matthew 6 because it was like, This is about your existence. You're an eternal. That's why he's using eternal life here. But in prayer, it was the same concept.

I was kind of happy because I thought, I got home yesterday and I told Missy, I was like, oh, we had some fireworks on the podcast. And it turned into a marital counseling thing. And I was like, the biggest takeaway I had is, babe, there's a way it could be worse for us.

I was kind of happy because I thought, I got home yesterday and I told Missy, I was like, oh, we had some fireworks on the podcast. And it turned into a marital counseling thing. And I was like, the biggest takeaway I had is, babe, there's a way it could be worse for us.

I think the practical question is, what is a day in your life without Jesus?

I think the practical question is, what is a day in your life without Jesus?

That's a good question.

That's a good question.

It's a waste. It's a waste. It's a waste. And you're wasting... You know, the food that he's giving you. Well, and we're out of time. I know. I actually wanted to read the text, but maybe we've talked about it so much that the next time we can read it. Jill's got a clause.

It's a waste. It's a waste. It's a waste. And you're wasting... You know, the food that he's giving you. Well, and we're out of time. I know. I actually wanted to read the text, but maybe we've talked about it so much that the next time we can read it. Jill's got a clause.

It's being a dog.

It's being a dog.

I think it's like one of these. It's a service dog. Service dog, yeah.

I think it's like one of these. It's a service dog. Service dog, yeah.

I remember the encounter. I walked up. I mean, they were just standing there. Yeah. We kind of had a nod, a nod, and it started getting awkward. He couldn't speak. I said, I'm Jace, and they nodded. And I thought, okay, welcome to Louisiana. And then I said, I need to ask them something to get them to speak. And so I said, where are you from? Yeah. One of them said Arizona.

I remember the encounter. I walked up. I mean, they were just standing there. Yeah. We kind of had a nod, a nod, and it started getting awkward. He couldn't speak. I said, I'm Jace, and they nodded. And I thought, okay, welcome to Louisiana. And then I said, I need to ask them something to get them to speak. And so I said, where are you from? Yeah. One of them said Arizona.

That's why when I saw them, which was surprising to me because I'd slept since then.

That's why when I saw them, which was surprising to me because I'd slept since then.

I walked in. I said Arizona because that's the only word they said. It was an awkward encounter, but I didn't. They're listening, so we're glad you guys are here.

I walked in. I said Arizona because that's the only word they said. It was an awkward encounter, but I didn't. They're listening, so we're glad you guys are here.

We're trying to bring the nations together. That'll preach there. That'll preach. I'm considering California its own nation. I'm actually doing an event there. I'll give you details later.

We're trying to bring the nations together. That'll preach there. That'll preach. I'm considering California its own nation. I'm actually doing an event there. I'll give you details later.

Well, Al, you brought to my attention that we had left a cliffhanger that's still tottering. Yeah. On the Cliff, many podcasts ago.

Well, Al, you brought to my attention that we had left a cliffhanger that's still tottering. Yeah. On the Cliff, many podcasts ago.

And then we ran out of time.

And then we ran out of time.

Well, what fascinated me.

Well, what fascinated me.

The cliffhanger was he makes a statement. Because look, Al, I told you when you brought this up before we started that I forgot the cliffhanger moment.

The cliffhanger was he makes a statement. Because look, Al, I told you when you brought this up before we started that I forgot the cliffhanger moment.

This is like watching one of those old soap operas that my grandma used to watch.

This is like watching one of those old soap operas that my grandma used to watch.

Yeah, and then you forget what the payoff was. It was more a kind of Bible nerd discovery. And what I mean by that is when you start studying this intensely and looking at the original language, sometimes you stumble upon something that you're kind of like, hmm. So when he prayed, so this is Matthew 6, he said, this then is how you should pray. Our Father in heaven. Hallowed be your name.

Yeah, and then you forget what the payoff was. It was more a kind of Bible nerd discovery. And what I mean by that is when you start studying this intensely and looking at the original language, sometimes you stumble upon something that you're kind of like, hmm. So when he prayed, so this is Matthew 6, he said, this then is how you should pray. Our Father in heaven. Hallowed be your name.

And this prayer kind of has a little heaven-earth thread line, which I brought that up the last podcast. Yeah, we talked about that. John 3, you can only receive what is from heaven. Ten times in John 6, he's like, you need to receive the gift that's come from heaven. And they're like, well, what is the gift?

And this prayer kind of has a little heaven-earth thread line, which I brought that up the last podcast. Yeah, we talked about that. John 3, you can only receive what is from heaven. Ten times in John 6, he's like, you need to receive the gift that's come from heaven. And they're like, well, what is the gift?

And so when you read back to the prayer of Matthew 6, when he says, your kingdom come, your will be done, well, here's this phrase again, on earth as it is in heaven. And there's a lot of religious people that are viewing this As a future occurrence. Yeah, waiting. Still waiting. But you start thinking, well, Jesus came to earth. Well, where did he come from?

And so when you read back to the prayer of Matthew 6, when he says, your kingdom come, your will be done, well, here's this phrase again, on earth as it is in heaven. And there's a lot of religious people that are viewing this As a future occurrence. Yeah, waiting. Still waiting. But you start thinking, well, Jesus came to earth. Well, where did he come from?

He's making the point, I came from heaven. Remember when he was before Pilate? He was like, my kingdom is not from here. And so you start reading this and you start thinking, I think Jesus came for this earth, from heaven. And so he says that, but then he says this phrase, give us today our daily bread.

He's making the point, I came from heaven. Remember when he was before Pilate? He was like, my kingdom is not from here. And so you start reading this and you start thinking, I think Jesus came for this earth, from heaven. And so he says that, but then he says this phrase, give us today our daily bread.

Bread, which doesn't look like a strange statement, but that word daily, it's the only time it's used in the New Testament. Whatever that word is, I'm terrible at pronouncing Greek word, but you can look it up. And to do that, I've told you many times. Yeah, just put in Matthew 6, 11. Maybe I should do that while we're doing it, which is a good thing.

Bread, which doesn't look like a strange statement, but that word daily, it's the only time it's used in the New Testament. Whatever that word is, I'm terrible at pronouncing Greek word, but you can look it up. And to do that, I've told you many times. Yeah, just put in Matthew 6, 11. Maybe I should do that while we're doing it, which is a good thing.

So I'm going to put Matthew 6, 11, Greek lexicon. The number one thing that comes up, the top search, is the Bible hub that you said.

So I'm going to put Matthew 6, 11, Greek lexicon. The number one thing that comes up, the top search, is the Bible hub that you said.

So it says, give us this day our daily bread. So if it breaks down the word in the Greek words, to give, Today, for the coming day or for substance, which is that our daily, it's basically existing. So I'm going to click on that. It's number 1967, our daily. And it's mentioned one time, but it's also mentioned in Luke's, Telling of the same.

So it says, give us this day our daily bread. So if it breaks down the word in the Greek words, to give, Today, for the coming day or for substance, which is that our daily, it's basically existing. So I'm going to click on that. It's number 1967, our daily. And it's mentioned one time, but it's also mentioned in Luke's, Telling of the same.

Right. So Luke 11, 3 and Matthew 6, 11. That's it. So I started, I'm like, what does this word mean?

Right. So Luke 11, 3 and Matthew 6, 11. That's it. So I started, I'm like, what does this word mean?

It's like what is happening, but also what is coming. That sounds a lot like the two stages of the kingdom, right? So the cliffhanger was it makes sense when you hear Jesus say, I am the bread of life. which is a present, past, and future phrase. So that was the cliffhanger I wanted to... It's a lot deeper prayer, because you're praying to the I Am, who is the sustainer.

It's like what is happening, but also what is coming. That sounds a lot like the two stages of the kingdom, right? So the cliffhanger was it makes sense when you hear Jesus say, I am the bread of life. which is a present, past, and future phrase. So that was the cliffhanger I wanted to... It's a lot deeper prayer, because you're praying to the I Am, who is the sustainer.

It's not just, I hope I get a meal today. So tie-in verses, it immediately makes you think Revelation 1. He's like, I will... I was, I am, and I am to come. You know, those kind of phrases Jesus makes. I'm the Alpha, the Omega.

It's not just, I hope I get a meal today. So tie-in verses, it immediately makes you think Revelation 1. He's like, I will... I was, I am, and I am to come. You know, those kind of phrases Jesus makes. I'm the Alpha, the Omega.

That's right.

That's right.

But I think that's the trick. That's why it helped me understand John 6. Because I thought, well, he gave a preview in that prayer of what... Because their hearts were hard. I think that's in the Matthew version of the feeding of the 5,000. It throws that phrase in. It's like that they... They couldn't get it.

But I think that's the trick. That's why it helped me understand John 6. Because I thought, well, he gave a preview in that prayer of what... Because their hearts were hard. I think that's in the Matthew version of the feeding of the 5,000. It throws that phrase in. It's like that they... They couldn't get it.

And I was uncomfortable when I first read this as a new Christian because I'm like, what's he talking about? We got to eat his flesh and drink his blood? I was reading the verse like literally. And I thought, why would he be making a statement like that? Then I realized that I'm taking the side of the people he's arguing with.

And I was uncomfortable when I first read this as a new Christian because I'm like, what's he talking about? We got to eat his flesh and drink his blood? I was reading the verse like literally. And I thought, why would he be making a statement like that? Then I realized that I'm taking the side of the people he's arguing with.

Which is why I came up with that question being so profound. I'm like, if I'm being offended by something that I'm reading that Jesus is saying, the problem is probably me. Mm-hmm. So maybe I need to dig a little deeper. So I thought that was helpful. You know, and that's just a, I'm scratching the hem of that cliffhanger. But it was a profound thing.

Which is why I came up with that question being so profound. I'm like, if I'm being offended by something that I'm reading that Jesus is saying, the problem is probably me. Mm-hmm. So maybe I need to dig a little deeper. So I thought that was helpful. You know, and that's just a, I'm scratching the hem of that cliffhanger. But it was a profound thing.

If you want something to really sustain you or you want to truly survive, one of my dad's friends used to say that every time we'd say, how are you doing? And he had kind of gone the celebrate recovery route. So his radical life outside of Jesus was pretty much with the same velocity, I guess, as his coming to Christ.

But every time I'd ask him how he was doing, he'd say, I'm just trying to survive. Which we always laughed, but really when you start reading this, I mean, Jesus is survival. You're not at threat to lose anything inside of Jesus. Now I look back on the statement thinking, that's a little low.

I mean, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, we're not thinking big enough. That was my cliffhanging moment that Jesus would later kind of throw bread under the bus.

You're leaving out the real, real word. She sent us some real cheese. Real cheese. From Wisconsin.

I mean, that— I think that's where you'll get the disagreement, because some people, they don't think people do that. They don't say, I'm done. Yeah. So, which they get in, I think they use some of the verses in John 6 to get there, which, I mean, we're eventually going to have to just read it.

It basically comes down to this argument. Is the difference in knowing about Jesus? You can know about cheese, and there are products out there that say, It looks like cheese. But when you come to know cheese, real cheese, and you see where I'm headed with this. Y'all are working for cheese that spoils. No, that's the biblical type.

I think it comes down to just us having a hard time realizing that God is using people despite their flaws.

to show that he does reveal himself on the earth. I mean, last night I saw there was, you know, TV. Let's face it, most of it is junk. And all of a sudden, old Tebow was doing a commercial. So I stopped what I was doing. I actually didn't even have the volume on. The TV was just background. I turned it up.

And I only saw it once, but it was basically he was showing, like, people in pain and kids that had some form of, you know, suffering that was obvious. And he was like, you created the universe. you know, has, he uses people. And if you realize that you've been sent from God with a purpose, you'll run these people in need. It was just like, join us.

Yeah. Because I thought that, because people's big question is, well, how come there's so much suffering in the world if there's a God? And, and, I mean, there's no God. Look at what's happening. And well, here was a guy who used to play football for Florida using this platform saying, yeah, that's why we're here. God is intervening.

You know, not only did he send Jesus, he's not oblivious of suffering. He entered it. as a man and participated in it. And conquered it.

And passed the test. But when you kind of look at the Old Testament history, what he's trying to get them to bridge the gap is, look, you see, there was a bunch of shadows everywhere. that was predicting me coming here. And you start thinking about Moses and Noah and Abraham and even Job. You have this one person that God has chosen to reveal a way to survive. And have hope and promise.

And even though all of them eventually didn't pass the test, they either did something really stupid that you're like, boy, they did something great, and then they did something stupid. Or they died. Like Job, I mean, eventually he got all his blessings back, but at the end of the day, he died. And that was it. And it moved on. And he still lost all his kids.

This is the same difference in knowing about Jesus and knowing Jesus.

But you see now Jesus, and it makes me think of that verse in 2 Corinthians 5 when it says, for when he died, Jesus, all died. He basically made God through the one, chosen one, his own son, allowed everybody to die to their old self and By him dying for forgiveness. Because he passed the test, which we just mentioned, the temptation by the evil one. Well, he passed that test.

Every other person that was a human failed that test at some point. And so you're thinking, okay, well, let's give him an award, a ceremony. And no, he winds up dying. So the rest of us could die to our old selves and live. I mean, that's what 2 Corinthians basically 5 says. And then he now uses us.

as ambassadors for him, which is why we're running to the pains and the problems and the suffering. And so, and you know, you say, well, you're not doing the miracles that he was doing because that was a sign to show who he is.

Yeah, we're the image of God. We're supposed to be reflecting God's presence.

I think it's a good point. But I do think that there's nothing wrong with the point of, are you going to trust what God said or you want to go out on your own? I mean, I agree, but they were also, it came down to that.

Test or trust. But believe what?

Romans 8. Yeah. Which is how you operate. I'm glad you brought this up. Because I think when you brought up Hebrews 11 earlier, that really explains it. To me, the best, because somebody asked me one time in a Q&A after I had spoken, did Jesus time travel? And I was like, can you be more specific? But it was basically in this previous story that we read when they were in the boat.

And it says immediately it reached its destination after he walked on the water. Have you ever thought about that? Yeah. Nobody ever talks about it because it seems weird. It's kind of like when Philip and the Ethiopian eunuch He, you know, he shared about Jesus from Isaiah. He was reading it, and he taught him about Jesus. Then he's like, stop the chariot.

And they found some water out in the middle of nowhere, baptized him, baptized him. And the eunuch went on his way rejoicing. And then it says... Philip was basically teletransported to somewhere else. It's like, whoa, what was that? Was that time travel? So that was the basic part of the question. I'm just giving you the context because I think it's an interesting thought.

Where I went to answer the question was Hebrews 11. Because, so I'll go through all of the, Moses, Abraham, kind of what Jesus is doing here. You know, remember Moses, wrote about me, but you're not believing that? And then he gets to the last verse, and I'm going to tie this in with what Jill just said. And then it says in verse, what is it, 39? Yeah, the last verse.

These were all commended for their faith, which what is faith? Trust and believing and being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. This trusting. They were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planned something better for us so that they only together with us would be made perfect.

And I was like, the time travel thing was Jesus' – God's grace through Jesus went backwards and forwards, which I was trying to be kind of coy, I guess. Just saying, look, his – What Jesus did on the cross and the resurrection, that saved people before, presently, and after. It was like a time travel moment, which is maybe why we count time by Jesus.

But then the next verse, which shouldn't be a break there, but it gets to chapter 12, and it says, Well, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, so now all these people... He's referring to present form as in, oh, they're not dead. I mean, even though they're dead, the past.

Let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily untangles, which you mentioned about the evil one using that against us. And let us run with perseverance, the race marked out for us. And let us fix our eyes on Jesus. Mm-hmm.

which is what this is really being made in the image of him, looking at him saying, oh, this is the gift from heaven for everyone before, during, and after that we'll be. I mean, I think that's kind of the main point, which is why you're going back to the garden, and I agree. I really think Jesus on the cross, which was made from a tree,

was actually the new creation symbolic of the choice of, look at this tree of life. I mean, the tree of Jesus' death actually became the tree of life once again that would be eternal.

John Six has been quite the study. I actually didn't study last night because my brain was hurting from doing the podcast with you yesterday. Yeah.

Well, that's why I'm making that illustration about the cross. That is the fruit that God is offering on a tree, which is his son. And you eat of that. It's like a return to the tree of life that was keeping them alive. Yeah.

We didn't talk about that, but we had seven people and a dog. Yeah. And look, I just want to say this. About halfway through the last podcast we did, I heard this sound, and I thought, there's one of these guys who are snoring. I heard it too. During our podcast. I was wondering if it showed up.

I could hear it. And so I didn't want to look because I thought, are we that boring? I just didn't want to look, but it kept getting louder and louder. And finally I said, I've got to find who's snoring. Yes. So when I look, then I realize it's the dog. We literally put the dog to sleep. Which made me realize, you know, this dog doesn't have a demon or anything. It's just perfectly comfortable.

You need a different kind of bread, which is why I went to that Matthew 6 because it was like, This is about your existence. You're an eternal. That's why he's using eternal life here. But in prayer, it was the same concept.

I was kind of happy because I thought, I got home yesterday and I told Missy, I was like, oh, we had some fireworks on the podcast. And it turned into a marital counseling thing. And I was like, the biggest takeaway I had is, babe, there's a way it could be worse for us.

I think the practical question is, what is a day in your life without Jesus?

That's a good question.

It's a waste. It's a waste. It's a waste. And you're wasting... You know, the food that he's giving you. Well, and we're out of time. I know. I actually wanted to read the text, but maybe we've talked about it so much that the next time we can read it. Jill's got a clause.

It's being a dog.

I think it's like one of these. It's a service dog. Service dog, yeah.

I remember the encounter. I walked up. I mean, they were just standing there. Yeah. We kind of had a nod, a nod, and it started getting awkward. He couldn't speak. I said, I'm Jace, and they nodded. And I thought, okay, welcome to Louisiana. And then I said, I need to ask them something to get them to speak. And so I said, where are you from? Yeah. One of them said Arizona.

That's why when I saw them, which was surprising to me because I'd slept since then.

I walked in. I said Arizona because that's the only word they said. It was an awkward encounter, but I didn't. They're listening, so we're glad you guys are here.

We're trying to bring the nations together. That'll preach there. That'll preach. I'm considering California its own nation. I'm actually doing an event there. I'll give you details later.

Well, Al, you brought to my attention that we had left a cliffhanger that's still tottering. Yeah. On the Cliff, many podcasts ago.

And then we ran out of time.

Well, what fascinated me.

The cliffhanger was he makes a statement. Because look, Al, I told you when you brought this up before we started that I forgot the cliffhanger moment.

This is like watching one of those old soap operas that my grandma used to watch.

Yeah, and then you forget what the payoff was. It was more a kind of Bible nerd discovery. And what I mean by that is when you start studying this intensely and looking at the original language, sometimes you stumble upon something that you're kind of like, hmm. So when he prayed, so this is Matthew 6, he said, this then is how you should pray. Our Father in heaven. Hallowed be your name.

And this prayer kind of has a little heaven-earth thread line, which I brought that up the last podcast. Yeah, we talked about that. John 3, you can only receive what is from heaven. Ten times in John 6, he's like, you need to receive the gift that's come from heaven. And they're like, well, what is the gift?

And so when you read back to the prayer of Matthew 6, when he says, your kingdom come, your will be done, well, here's this phrase again, on earth as it is in heaven. And there's a lot of religious people that are viewing this As a future occurrence. Yeah, waiting. Still waiting. But you start thinking, well, Jesus came to earth. Well, where did he come from?

He's making the point, I came from heaven. Remember when he was before Pilate? He was like, my kingdom is not from here. And so you start reading this and you start thinking, I think Jesus came for this earth, from heaven. And so he says that, but then he says this phrase, give us today our daily bread.

Bread, which doesn't look like a strange statement, but that word daily, it's the only time it's used in the New Testament. Whatever that word is, I'm terrible at pronouncing Greek word, but you can look it up. And to do that, I've told you many times. Yeah, just put in Matthew 6, 11. Maybe I should do that while we're doing it, which is a good thing.

So I'm going to put Matthew 6, 11, Greek lexicon. The number one thing that comes up, the top search, is the Bible hub that you said.

So it says, give us this day our daily bread. So if it breaks down the word in the Greek words, to give, Today, for the coming day or for substance, which is that our daily, it's basically existing. So I'm going to click on that. It's number 1967, our daily. And it's mentioned one time, but it's also mentioned in Luke's, Telling of the same.

Right. So Luke 11, 3 and Matthew 6, 11. That's it. So I started, I'm like, what does this word mean?

It's like what is happening, but also what is coming. That sounds a lot like the two stages of the kingdom, right? So the cliffhanger was it makes sense when you hear Jesus say, I am the bread of life. which is a present, past, and future phrase. So that was the cliffhanger I wanted to... It's a lot deeper prayer, because you're praying to the I Am, who is the sustainer.

It's not just, I hope I get a meal today. So tie-in verses, it immediately makes you think Revelation 1. He's like, I will... I was, I am, and I am to come. You know, those kind of phrases Jesus makes. I'm the Alpha, the Omega.

That's right.

But I think that's the trick. That's why it helped me understand John 6. Because I thought, well, he gave a preview in that prayer of what... Because their hearts were hard. I think that's in the Matthew version of the feeding of the 5,000. It throws that phrase in. It's like that they... They couldn't get it.

And I was uncomfortable when I first read this as a new Christian because I'm like, what's he talking about? We got to eat his flesh and drink his blood? I was reading the verse like literally. And I thought, why would he be making a statement like that? Then I realized that I'm taking the side of the people he's arguing with.

Which is why I came up with that question being so profound. I'm like, if I'm being offended by something that I'm reading that Jesus is saying, the problem is probably me. Mm-hmm. So maybe I need to dig a little deeper. So I thought that was helpful. You know, and that's just a, I'm scratching the hem of that cliffhanger. But it was a profound thing.