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Jill Lepore

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777 total appearances

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99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

If we were to constantly defer to the history and tradition of this country, we as a court could only ever reinstantiate racial divisions.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

We could never free the people from them.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

And so he just like, let's start again.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

And that's

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

There's this guy I've never seen him really written about by legal scholars, but his name is David J. Mays, who was a Virginia lawyer and quite talented historian.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

He won the Pulitzer Prize in 1953 for a biography of Edmund Pendleton, who was an 18th century Virginian.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

Mays actually does the historical research for the segregation side of the argument in Brown v. Board of Education.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

And he's really pissed off when Earl Warren says, the history is inconclusive.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

Because Mays is like, no, it's not.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

I did the history.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

The history says the framers of the 14th Amendment did not intend for black and white children to go to school together.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

They did not intend to be banning segregated schools.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

And so...

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

He's the architect of what is called massive resistance in the South, which is just refusing to enact desegregation.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

in addition to being the architect of massive resistance, he starts writing about what he describes as the question of intent and insisting that the only way to understand the Constitution is to defer to the original intent of the framers of any constitutional provision.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

And he testifies before Congress on this point.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

And he really elaborates these ideas that get picked up in the late 60s by Robert Bork.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

So he is kind of a missing link between the Brown case and what becomes the Borkian argument in 1971.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

And again, like, not to say originalism is, you know, a rejection of the Brown decision.

99% Invisible
Constitution Breakdown #8: Jill Lepore

It is...