Jim Pickard

We don't think Keir Starmer is abysmal.

We don't think he's got any charisma, but we think it's a really difficult job.

And we don't see Andy Burnham, as much as we like him, suddenly making everything gravy, to use the northern expression.

There was a lady we spoke to in the corner here in the pub who said that, you know, she hated Labour, she hated Keir Starmer, was going to vote Nigel Farage in reform.

And I said, do you think Britain will get better?

And she said, I have no idea.

But if he fails, then we can go back and try the original two.

But we just need to shake things up.

I did ask a couple of people this morning what they thought about Nigel Farage taking five million pounds as a gift from a crypto billionaire based in Thailand.

And the gist was they were all kind of at it.

You know, everyone takes money.

No one is computing that this is an unfathomably large quantity of money to receive unusual British politics.

It's just that... But he's also not done many press conferences recently.

I think if and when Nigel Farage starts doing regular televised press conferences of the sort he has been doing, if he does, then I imagine people might see more of it on TV.

And the local election results were really bad for Labour, weren't they?

Just to remind our listeners, didn't they basically lose 19 out of 20 wars or something?

I was going to ask you, Lucy, and there's a whole 20 restore campaigns in the same pub as us 20 yards away.

What have you found talking to the people who are planning to vote for Rupert Lowe's party?

And the point is that reform have outflanked the Tory party from the right by pledging to be tough on immigration.

And now they are saying restore, eat their lunch from the right as well.