Jim VandeHei

I just wouldn't do it.

Like it would be miserable.

Like I –

Bless that like I've got a great relationship with the people who work for us and we try to take care of them.

We enjoy each other.

Like to not have that is very contagious.

So then you spend all of this time infighting, gossiping, trying to position as opposed to doing great journalism in a really competitive environment when the economics are almost impossible and the margin of error is almost zero.

So they're doing everything wrong throughout that entire period.

And that's where you end up with losing $100 million.

And more than that, like losing a lot of readership.

And really just like losing cachet in this town.

And then feeling driftless, right?

That's how I would describe it.

I don't know if someone said describe.

I just listened to Matt Murray's podcast where he talked about this episode of Will leaving.

And I still, after it, I don't understand like why.

what is the Washington Post?

Like, how can I, Jim, who worked at the Washington Post, who loves the Washington Post, who lives in the D.C.

area, consumes a stupid amount of media, how can I not know what you stand for?

That's awful.