Jimmy Kimmel

And how much of that

Like, can you see a difference?

Because we're in Trump II.

Do you feel like it was the need to talk about politics is greater when he has been president as opposed to when other people?

Like, if you started when Bush was president, then you had Obama, Trump, Biden, Trump.

It does feel like things have gotten more political over time, but do you think it is also sort of a...

I don't want to use the word quirk, but a facet of Trump and his relationship with the media?

Yeah, I mean, he's on TV all day, every day, so he gives us a lot to use, to deal with.

That's unusual.

That's not how it used to be.

You'd occasionally get a video of George Bush walking the wrong way on stage, and then you'd make a week out of it, or somebody trips or something like that.

But now it's just, you hear him

You see him.

He's just presented himself so frequently.

It makes it just more digestible.

It's more digestible and less digestible at the same time.

Right.

Do you feel like you interact with a lot of comedians?

Do you think there's some...

and comedians I've spoken with who feel like comedy's actually been harder with him as president.