Jimmy Wales

Because we're seeing this huge drop in trust in the media, in politics, in business and so forth, which is causing a lot of negative consequences in the world because if we're electing untrustworthy politicians, lots of bad things come from that.

And so just really wanted to put trust back on the agenda to say, well, what are the things that we need to do to build a society that can function on trust rather than all the anger and things that we have going on right now?

Well, you know, a big part of it is, I would say, is kind of kindergarten ethics.

You know, it's treat people, you know, be personal.

Rule number one, be personal.

You know, having a good purpose in an organization.

You know, if you have a clear...

simple purpose that helps align what everybody's doing and you know what it is you're trying to accomplish that can do a lot towards actually getting it you know wikipedia we say we're writing an encyclopedia like that really clarifies a lot of what we're doing uh and so you know we don't allow ranting and we you know we try to be as neutral as we can and all of that kind of thing so there's a lot of lessons

I think that's right.

And I think, you know, one of the things that I'm really focused on is like if we separate our thinking, like if you if you meet people day to day, you know, you get into a lift and there's people there, you know, they're perfectly nice people.

Almost everybody really nice and all of that.

What happens in social media, we get a really dark view of other people and of humanity because the algorithms are promoting the people who are creating engagement, which is the people who are undermining our trust, people who are creating conflict, people who are saying ridiculous things and get huge followings because of it.

And so I think if we step back from that and say, like, hold on a minute, actually, social media is not what normal people are like.

Social media promotes the worst people.

Oh, yeah, yeah, definitely.

Someone on Twitter, X as we call it now, said to me something like, you're a horrible, like a disgusting human being.

And I was like, well, you're a gentleman and a scholar.

Like, I don't know, like nobody acts that way in normal life.

Like, what is wrong with you, man?

So, yeah, there we are.