Joan Summers

We've seen that be extremely effective. But when it comes to the movies, when it comes to music, I don't see anything being made that I could see being enshrined in a place like the Kennedy Center without being at least seen as laughable or at least coming off as laughable. Look at the inauguration. Look at how badly the arts programming at the inauguration went for them.

No, 100%. But the reaction to Carrie Underwood, and I think her reaction to the reaction to her, I think does speak volumes.

No, 100%. But the reaction to Carrie Underwood, and I think her reaction to the reaction to her, I think does speak volumes.

No, 100%. But the reaction to Carrie Underwood, and I think her reaction to the reaction to her, I think does speak volumes.

I think that we're seeing a few different social forces converge all at once. First off, people are increasingly mistrustful of the powerful, whether they are the powerful that look like us or the powerful who stand against us. I think that that is something that is true. I also think that at the same time as that, the public's trust in and need for art has shifted dramatically since even

I think that we're seeing a few different social forces converge all at once. First off, people are increasingly mistrustful of the powerful, whether they are the powerful that look like us or the powerful who stand against us. I think that that is something that is true. I also think that at the same time as that, the public's trust in and need for art has shifted dramatically since even

I think that we're seeing a few different social forces converge all at once. First off, people are increasingly mistrustful of the powerful, whether they are the powerful that look like us or the powerful who stand against us. I think that that is something that is true. I also think that at the same time as that, the public's trust in and need for art has shifted dramatically since even

we three have been alive. I think that we live in a time more than ever where we see illiteracy rates are skyrocketing. We see that the relationship people have to the movies, how many people are buying albums, how many people are buying books, all of these arts institutions that have Mm-hmm.

we three have been alive. I think that we live in a time more than ever where we see illiteracy rates are skyrocketing. We see that the relationship people have to the movies, how many people are buying albums, how many people are buying books, all of these arts institutions that have Mm-hmm.

we three have been alive. I think that we live in a time more than ever where we see illiteracy rates are skyrocketing. We see that the relationship people have to the movies, how many people are buying albums, how many people are buying books, all of these arts institutions that have Mm-hmm.

And I think that with different forces now that can sort of pierce through the medium of art, just speaking directly to people on TikTok or like news programming, I think that people have sort of bypassed like what art maybe was communicating and just gone right to people who are going to tell them what they want to hear, tell them what they want to believe, tell them who they are in a society and who to follow.

And I think that with different forces now that can sort of pierce through the medium of art, just speaking directly to people on TikTok or like news programming, I think that people have sort of bypassed like what art maybe was communicating and just gone right to people who are going to tell them what they want to hear, tell them what they want to believe, tell them who they are in a society and who to follow.

And I think that with different forces now that can sort of pierce through the medium of art, just speaking directly to people on TikTok or like news programming, I think that people have sort of bypassed like what art maybe was communicating and just gone right to people who are going to tell them what they want to hear, tell them what they want to believe, tell them who they are in a society and who to follow.

And I think that all of these things are kind of swirling around us and battling for power at this very moment.

And I think that all of these things are kind of swirling around us and battling for power at this very moment.

And I think that all of these things are kind of swirling around us and battling for power at this very moment.

Thank you. Of course. Always a pleasure to go on my favorite podcast.

Thank you. Of course. Always a pleasure to go on my favorite podcast.

Thank you. Of course. Always a pleasure to go on my favorite podcast.

Oh my God, of course.