Joanna Robinson

That sounds so much to me like I created an artifice and I have crawled inside it and I am pretending to be that person, but I am not actually that person.

And the ways that they're kind of self-destructed within those lies, right?

Everything, what Tom is hiding, his own past trauma with his brother and his inability to be open about it is what leads him to think that his own son might be suicidal.

That leads him to dive into that pool to save him.

When in reality, Zach is trying to do the thing his therapist told him to do, which is like activate this dive reflex.

It's like a very real thing in terms of quieting the anxiety in your head and drowning it out with like physiological response of breathing, right?

streamlining everything that's going on inside you.

So he tried to do the thing his therapist said.

Tom interrupts him because of his own shit.

And that is like a straight line from there to him reaching out to Angel X at the end of this episode because he needs relief from somewhere and he can't get it in his own home anymore.

Do you want to talk about the nipple piercings?

I mean, we went straight from soccer into everything else.

But this is a significant part of this episode and it was a lot.

I just think everything that's happening with Nat and Nevaeh in this episode is so much rooted in the idea of, like, how far can Nat just be pushed at this point?

It's far and it's fast.

We're in nipple-piercing territory.

I think there is part of Nat's character who, yeah, by her background alone, is just...

Very gullible.

There are puppies and candy in this unmarked van level gullible.

She's just like going along with this stuff in a way that I think makes sense for who she is and where she's been.