Joanne McNally

Because when you're young, you're just sold on the idea of it that you're just being, you're like, oh, obviously I'll get married and have kids.

That's just kind of what people do.

I thought all those things.

Yeah, exactly.

And it's all rainbows and lullabies and all, but the truth of the matter.

And I think that, I think as well, do you know what?

There's a real honesty around motherhood now or parenting.

I should say parenting really.

I shouldn't really make it specific to women, but around parenting about how hard it is.

Yeah.

And

I'm almost like, okay, can we rein the honesty in?

Because, you know, there's women out here trying to make decisions and you're scaring us.

You're scaring the rest of us.

And I think it needs, it's always, society always overcorrects because there was a lot of like kind of faking it around motherhood.

A hundred percent.

A hundred percent.

I've seen that myself.

And I'm like, even I, as a woman with no children, I'm like, I've seen that discussed before.

They're like, why?