Joanne McNally

That's not hard.

The conversation was very problematic because it's like, where was the argument for men bringing something else to the table instead of the idea of being like handcuff a woman to a fucking radiator and stick a baby in her against her will?

Which I'm sure that's not what he was suggesting, but it certainly sounded like it.

And the conversation also was about how it's kind of dangerous because he first presented as a kind of mental health guru for men.

And because he's got this really, there was a comedian online whose name escapes me.

I'm sorry.

but he did a really good video about it and he was saying that he's presenting these really right-wing ideas, but like in front of a ring light with a really soft voice.

Shabazz.

Yes.

Shabazz, that's him.

Yeah, he did a great video on it.

Really good comedian, really funny guy.

And he was like, that's the danger.

They're really toxic conversations, which women are not involved in.

And he's, it's coming across almost like a thought, like he's just being thoughtful.

Whereas actually it's like, dude,

One of each of everything on the menu.

They probably do.

You know what the older generation are like?

I was seeing a guy before and again, he was sag at this and I can't even say it.