Jocko Willink

Come out.

Uh...

I don't know if we ever even reached an ultimatum.

I think we had a couple where there was no one home and we eventually breached, which again, which is a good escalation, right?

I guess, depending on how you look at it.

But if they wouldn't come out and now when we explosively breach this thing, we'd explosively breach it like big.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, and again, even that first deployment to Iraq, these kinds of conversations, you know, these kinds of things, understanding what my boss was having to deal with.

Nope, it's a correct assumption.

I mean, how- By the way, my commanding officer, remember I said I was the only platoon in Iraq for like a month or two?

When my skipper showed up, he was no combat experience.

And you remember what I was saying earlier about like, I understand.

You know, like I don't expect my boss who's never been okay.

Like, oh, sir, let me explain to you.

Why don't you come on an op and you can see what this looks like.

Like that kind of attitude, as opposed to, which is really easy from a judgmental perspective to say,

why the hell are you in charge?

Or, hey, I'm trying to run operations down here and you're asking me a bunch of questions.

It's like, hmm, no, actually, come on down.