Jocko Willink

Like, so to the teams at large, most of the guys go, what were you doing?

Oh, here's what we're doing.

I think, oh, cool, cool.

Occasionally you get a guy like that doesn't know what was happening, doesn't know how bad it was, couldn't conceive a reason to go out in the daytime.

or couldn't conceive how it's possible to kill that many enemy fighters, bro.

They are everywhere.

And so I should have done a better job of communicating that aspect of things, but I didn't really recognize it because my chain of command, they knew, and most of the people that were around me that were actually talking to me, they would be like, oh yeah, that makes sense.

We get it.

Like I said, including,

the chain of command on both the special operations side and the conventional side.

But you're going into these areas and the Army's taking casualties, the Marine Corps is taking casualties.

And I know that at some point we're going to take casualties.

And the, we, you know, we, like I said, we had a couple of guys wounded.

Cowie was wounded bad, but on August 2nd,

that's when Ryan Jobe got wounded severely.

And, you know, he was shot in the face.

And I know when you had Leif on the podcast, Leif gave you a pretty detailed description.

But you had, you know, a guy like Ryan Jobe who... I had his parents on my podcast.

Just... Man, you can't even describe just what a...

What a being of light, you know, just tough, funny, like will literally do anything for you.