Jocko Willink

You have to leave them.

And so you kind of create friction so that you can release.

So I think that was part of it.

And I also think I just looked around at the world and just, you know, had the angst of a young teenage child, you know?

You got a lot of testosterone flowing through your blood and you just want to fight and get after it.

And that's kind of what I did.

Were you a troublemaker?

I was a borderline troublemaker, but also...

Like I didn't drink, didn't do any drugs.

There was a whole like sub genre of music called straight edge music, which I wasn't fully into that, but straight edge music is like no drinking, no drugs.

And, but I was close enough to it that I,

That's the way I heard that messaging of, you know, drinking and drugs were bad.

That's kind of a weak thing to do.

And so never did, never did, never drank and never did drugs in high school.

How would you rebel?

Ruby violence?

Yeah, going to hardcore shows, listening to punk rock music, listening to hardcore music, shaving my head, you know, getting in fights, just that kind of stuff.

Right.

Where did Christianity get rooted into you?

So I was, you know, we went to a church growing up.