Jocko Willink

And the SEAL Team 2 executive officer, again, developed a great relationship with him.

Just a good guy that...

you know, I was a hard worker and that he moved from group, from unit two.

So I was with the XO in Germany and then he becomes the XO at team two.

So like,

When I get back there, I immediately get back put into a platoon.

So I do a platoon at SEAL Team 2 and a strike platoon off the aircraft carrier.

Right on.

Right on.

Which was, again, working with a lot of assets and going over and doing VBSS over in the Persian Gulf, which, again, at the time was a real thing.

As far as leadership of troops, no, but understanding of the bigger picture, yes.

Because the guy that I work for there, again, he's a friend of mine and just a great guy.

And he had, you know, a lot of experience himself at the time, right?

Not experience like guys have now, but at the time he had experience.

And like there was one time we were on a big exercise, a big joint exercise, and we like put together a talk, right?

Tactical Operations Center.

What's interesting about this is, man, you think of a talk now, like you think of what a mobile talk would look like now.

I'm not kidding.

Well, I put together a mobile talk and I was the, like the ops officer for this operation, this training operation.

And I had the talk in my backpack.