Jocko Willink

And that's not, I'm not saying that for the benefit of the SEAL teams, I'm saying that for the benefit of the country, because SEALs are good at what we do.

And if we're not getting jobs that we should be getting because of these kind of ancillary actions, it's bad for the country.

It's bad for our war fighting capabilities.

So I learned a lot about that when I was the Admiral's aide.

And there was another couple of huge cases.

There was, you know, I got to hear about what was happening from a legal perspective.

Like there were some guys that shot someone

This wasn't SEALs, this was Army guys, regular Army guys, conventional Army guys, shot someone in south of Baghdad somewhere, and don't quote me on the story, but they had planted a gun on him.

And they were going to jail, like they were under trial for murder.

And I just would hear that and go, what were these guys thinking?

You know, why would they be doing this?

And the immediate answer is, well, because they're afraid they're going to get in trouble.

Oh, they're afraid that the ROE didn't allow them to shoot this guy and now they're trying to cover it up.

The reality of this scenario is the ROE, if someone is, I'm trying to think of the exact terminology, reasonable certainty that they're committing hostile intent, not a hostile act, hostile intent.

So if I think you're going to do something and I'm reasonably certain of that, I can shoot you.

whether you have a gun or not.

And yet we have guys, this particular case, these guys were getting in trouble because they planted a gun.

They didn't need to do that.

So that was like another, just learning about how much scrutiny the military.

So like I initially saw like, oh, there's the SEAL teams is under scrutiny.