Jodi Kantor

My job is to build their confidence

And take someone who believes it's unthinkable they should ever speak to a newspaper reporter and make them believe that they can do it and actually go through the process.

You and Megan were dealing with black ops that were hired by the Weinstein lawyers to pretend to be journalists, to try to get to your sources, to try to find out what they were saying.

There was so much.

what feels to be utterly immoral, illegal activity, well beyond the actual crimes that were committed to try to keep this story from being told.

How did you manage through that?

How did you feel when you found out that people that were talking to you, trying to supposedly help you, were actually lying to you to try to get information to bring back to the Weinstein crew?

Debbie, the most important thing I can tell you is that the women were more powerful than all of that.

That's the lesson I want people to take.

So it's totally true that cuckoo things happened.

I mean, Weinstein went so far beyond the pale of what's acceptable and how he dealt with us.

And you're right.

I mean, they hired this Israeli ex-intelligence firm to try to track us and dupe us and

one of their agents posed as, wait for it, a women's rights advocate to try to like manipulate me into giving information.

I didn't fall for it.

Luckily, they came to my apartment.

They took pictures of, you know, the boring red brick building in Park Slope where I live with my husband and my children and

None of it worked.

None of it worked.

The women were more powerful.