Jodi Kantor

But we don't really want that to be where the bar is, right?

We want the bar to be at aspiration and invention and novelty and thrill and risk.

Experiments.

And joy.

We want the workplace to still be a place where people can reach for the moon because if they can't, we're all in trouble.

You state that careers are built at the intersection of craft and need.

How did you arrive at those two principles and how do they interact in practice?

I felt students were being given such bad advice.

I was really horrified.

There was the bad advice and there was the no advice, and each is sort of equally bad.

The bad advice I would describe as these shifting fashions I've seen throughout my life where there's something you supposedly have to study.

Yeah, absolutely.

Do I know what AI is going to do to entry-level jobs, full stop?

No, it's too early.

We're only seeing the beginnings of it.

But I will tell you what AI is doing to jobs right now, which is it is making trying to get a job so lonely.

I don't know if you're hearing this from your students, but we are talking about –

Gigantic digital portals, totally faceless.

We're talking about ghost job listings that stay up and stay up and get applicants even though there's no real jobs.

And we're talking about AI interviewing.