Joe Biden

No, so Gabby's the one that wanted to travel in the van. Like, that's something that she wanted to do. You know, I think he kind of went along with it for the ride, but when you look at domestic violence and the processes that it goes with, you know, the isolation, you know, from friends and then family and then themselves and...

uh all that stuff so uh i i think he was into it you know because he would have her all to himself so i didn't think uh from a from an abuser standpoint there's no downside to that because then you have them all to yourself so uh but this was what gabby wanted she really wanted to travel the country and uh

uh all that stuff so uh i i think he was into it you know because he would have her all to himself so i didn't think uh from a from an abuser standpoint there's no downside to that because then you have them all to yourself so uh but this was what gabby wanted she really wanted to travel the country and uh

uh all that stuff so uh i i think he was into it you know because he would have her all to himself so i didn't think uh from a from an abuser standpoint there's no downside to that because then you have them all to yourself so uh but this was what gabby wanted she really wanted to travel the country and uh

i mean that's just who she was she really just loved nature and stuff so um and she worked really really hard on that van and then we we we crushed it because we didn't want it to be out there and people selling it you know what i mean or showing it off because because it's so painful for us so we had to make sure we got rid of it yeah we got rid of the van i'm sorry what was that what did you get rid of we we crushed the van and

i mean that's just who she was she really just loved nature and stuff so um and she worked really really hard on that van and then we we we crushed it because we didn't want it to be out there and people selling it you know what i mean or showing it off because because it's so painful for us so we had to make sure we got rid of it yeah we got rid of the van i'm sorry what was that what did you get rid of we we crushed the van and

i mean that's just who she was she really just loved nature and stuff so um and she worked really really hard on that van and then we we we crushed it because we didn't want it to be out there and people selling it you know what i mean or showing it off because because it's so painful for us so we had to make sure we got rid of it yeah we got rid of the van i'm sorry what was that what did you get rid of we we crushed the van and

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You're not wrong. You know, that's that's how it works. You know, you alienate the friends first, then you alienate the family. You tell them that they're they don't need their job and the people they work for are horrible, you know, so now they're not working and they don't need a car. So they're not out there financially and dependent on on on the abuser.

You're not wrong. You know, that's that's how it works. You know, you alienate the friends first, then you alienate the family. You tell them that they're they don't need their job and the people they work for are horrible, you know, so now they're not working and they don't need a car. So they're not out there financially and dependent on on on the abuser.

You're not wrong. You know, that's that's how it works. You know, you alienate the friends first, then you alienate the family. You tell them that they're they don't need their job and the people they work for are horrible, you know, so now they're not working and they don't need a car. So they're not out there financially and dependent on on on the abuser.

And it really is a it's a slow process when you look at it from a high level view over the course of a few years. You can kind of piece that together. But on the day to day, it's it's it's kind of difficult.

And it really is a it's a slow process when you look at it from a high level view over the course of a few years. You can kind of piece that together. But on the day to day, it's it's it's kind of difficult.

And it really is a it's a slow process when you look at it from a high level view over the course of a few years. You can kind of piece that together. But on the day to day, it's it's it's kind of difficult.

You know, and that's the stuff that we're doing with the foundation now, you know, kind of bring that stuff to the forefront where you can see that, where we can talk about it, spot the signs, kind of pay attention to some of the things that people are saying, just their reactions, you know, and speak up and learn how to talk to your friends about it.

You know, and that's the stuff that we're doing with the foundation now, you know, kind of bring that stuff to the forefront where you can see that, where we can talk about it, spot the signs, kind of pay attention to some of the things that people are saying, just their reactions, you know, and speak up and learn how to talk to your friends about it.

You know, and that's the stuff that we're doing with the foundation now, you know, kind of bring that stuff to the forefront where you can see that, where we can talk about it, spot the signs, kind of pay attention to some of the things that people are saying, just their reactions, you know, and speak up and learn how to talk to your friends about it.

Yeah. So I guess I have to start it off with, in my opinion. But other than that, you know, it was... Almost like, again, you know, speculation, but a jealousy that was going on where Brian was giving all his attention to Gabby and not to his mom. And then you could see on how things changed and how she was very critical of Gabby and getting on her for things that her own son would do.