Joe Carlsmith

And I think there are a bunch of disanalogies from human slavery that I think are important.

In particular, A, the AIs might not be moral patients at all, in which case, so we need to figure that out.

There are ways in which we may be able to kind of

you know, have kind of motivation, like slavery involves all this like suffering and, and kind of non-consent and there's all these like specific dynamics involved in human slavery.

Um, but I think like, uh,

And so some of those may or may not be present in a given case with AI, and I think that's important.

But I think overall, we are going to need to stare hard at... Like right now, the kind of default mode of how we treat AIs gives them no moral consideration at all, right?

We're thinking of them as property, as tools, as products, and designing them to be assistants and stuff like that.

And I think, you know...

there has been no official communication from any AI developer as to when, under what circumstances that would change, right?

And so I think there's a conversation to be had there that we need to have.

And so, and I think there's a bunch of, yeah, so there's a bunch of stuff to say about that.

I want to push back on the notion that there's sort of two options.

There's like enslaved God, whatever that is, and like,

Loss of control.

Yeah.

Um, and I think like we can do better than that, right?

Like let's, let's work on it.

Let's try, let's try to do better.

Uh, especially, you know, it's sort of, uh, I think we can, I think we can do better.