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Joe Carlsmith

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

Okay, cool.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

So, so you had mentioned this, I thought like, well,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

are you kind of what you pretend to be, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

And will you, will these AIs, you know, you train them to look kind of nice.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

Yeah.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

You know, fake it till you make it.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

You know, you were like, ah, like we do this to kids.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

I think it's better to imagine like kids doing this to us, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

So like, I don't know, like...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

Here's a sort of silly analogy for AI training.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

And there's a bunch of questions we can ask about its relationship.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

But suppose you wake up and you're being trained via methods analogous to contemporary machine learning by Nazi children to be a good Nazi.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

soldier or a Butler or, or what have you.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

Um, and here are these children, uh, and you really know what's going on.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

The, the, the children have like, they have a model spec, like a nice, nice Nazi model spec.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

Right.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

And it's like reflect well on the Nazi party, like benefit the Nazi party, whatever.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Joe Carlsmith - Otherness and control in the age of AGI

Um, and you can read it.