Joe Carlsmith

And so, you know, on the other hand, like, ah,

you know, really these guys, you know, had a few centuries of, so anyway, but I think that's an interesting, um, and it, and it leads to a different, I think it does.

There's something, you know, the endless frontier.

There is a, there is a draw to that from an aesthetic perspective of the idea of like continuing to discover, continuing to discover stuff.

Um, you know, at the least I think you don't, you can't get like full knowledge in some sense because there's always like, what are you going to do?

Like there's some way in which you're part of the system.

So it's not clear that you,

the knowledge itself is part of the system and sort of like, I don't know, like if you imagine you're like, ah, you try to have full knowledge of like what the future of the universe will be like.

Well, I don't know.

I'm not totally sure that's true.

It has a halting problem kind of property, right?

There's a little bit of a loopiness if you're, I think there are probably like fixed points in that where you could be like, yep, I'm going to do that.

And then like, you're right.

But I think it's, I at least have a question of like,

are we, you know, when people imagine the kind of completion of knowledge, you know, exactly how well does that work?

Right.

Quote, I'm inclined to think that utopia, however weird, would also be in a certain sense recognizable.

That if we really understood and experienced it, we would see in it the same thing that made us sit bolt upright long ago when we first touched love, joy, beauty.

That we would feel in front of the bonfire the heat of the ember from which it was lit.

There would be, I think, a kind of remembering.