Joe Kent

But somebody of that caliber who is coming out, resigning in protest, who still seems to have some confidence in leadership.

And I mean, we've talked about how you're squaring that circle.

And again, I appreciate it because you're trying to make a tactical point about the problems that we have.

At what point, though, do you think that other people need to follow your lead?

Is it a ground invasion?

Is it a consideration?

Is it a feeling of not having your voice heard?

Like a lot of people are going to listen to you right now for guidance.

I know that for a fact.

We're working in the United States government.

What's your advice to them for the people who share your view?

I think for my former colleagues, once they reach a point where they think that their advice and their counsel is not being heard, they need to consider doing what I did.

And the calculus is going to be different for everybody.

I understand there's even like, hey, can I pay my mortgage next week?

There's those types of considerations as well.

However, I would just, you know, really implore my former colleagues to just think about where we were at this time in 2003 in the Iraq War.

How many lives could have been saved had more government officials said, no, I'm not going to do this.

And honestly, those guys kind of had an excuse.

9-11 had just happened.

We didn't have this access to media.