Joe Liemandt

And when we talk about SaaS versus AI driven, the SaaS stuff is going to be way worse.

Pure transactional SaaS, I believe, is just going to be

dramatically worse than the big winners.

The AI native ones, and it depends on what you call AI part of SaaS, AI native companies, calm software companies or whatever, AI native companies are going to be worth more than any SaaS company ever has.

They can just do so much more for the customer.

It's just your breadth of what you get to do.

You could change fundamentally how the business works.

Take education.

You literally are like, okay, kids can learn 10 times faster.

It's a multi-trillion dollar industry globally.

And there's no other software that's out there, no ed tech, nothing that's ever been built can have kids learn 10 times faster.

And you're like, okay, I have to build a really good product and now kids can learn 10 times faster.

I don't know what the value of that is.

It's a lot.

That product, Timeback as a product, there's zero doubt in my mind that Timeback as a product is the single best product I've ever built by far.

It doesn't ship yet and all these things, my team would kill me.

But the value that it will drive to the economy is just going to be huge.

And I believe I've obviously just been focused on education.

But it's got to be the same thing in every other way.

Well, it's how you're running them.