Joe Liemandt

Like you go to dinner with him and he's like 100X.

I'm like, oh, I really suck.

He's like, I don't understand why you don't have a thousand schools already.

I don't know what's going on.

I'm like, well, it's all these issues.

It's all a continuum on where you sit.

But yes, that part of it is designing the system and designing the ecosystem, whether it's a product or whatever.

You're like, what are those things?

What are the levers that if you really push them, that's what keeps going.

Learning happens at the limit.

It's learning and there's always the ideas and then actually how do you implement it and scale it.

It's the Steve Jobs thing of it's really easy to visionary a good product and there's 10,000 decisions you have to make to make them all work together.

There's 10,000 decisions we've made in the alpha system and a two-hour learning system in this ecosystem.

There's 10,000 decisions that you need to make and they reinforce each other.

One of the things people often say about me is they're like, I want 85% Joe.

Right?

I want what Joe's doing, but I'm going to do the 85% version of it.

The answer is, and they find out, it doesn't work.

If 85% worked, I'd do that.

It doesn't.