Joe Lonsdale

I think an effort to do more advanced manufacturing here and to give some kind of general subsidies and have a competition is not totally insane, again, to rebuild our manufacturing base. And then I think you have to look again at how it's being regulated and what the incentives are for people to update these things. And you need people to have the proper incentive to update them.

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I'm most excited about Elon and Vivek and the Doge effort because this is something I've wanted to see forever. I'm probably one of the only guys in tech that's done a lot in policy on the right, on the small government side for the last 10, 20 years. And it's like the world just shifted this way. The vibe shift is exactly... in line with stuff I've been thinking and talking about for a decade.

So I'm so excited about this.

They're already doing it, man. They can't really officially do it yet, but they're already making all the plans. There's people working hard there. There's guys picking me, Joe, we need another engineer for this. We're trying to map this out. We need more lawyers for this. I mean, they're going right now as hard as they can and getting ready. So it's going to be really bold.

Do you think they'll have it all mapped out before they even step in? Well, I think the way Elon works in general It's just like, what can we do right now? And then what can we do next? Let's just focus on what we can do right now. So they have what's called their day one priorities. And they're just focused and sprinting on everything they could do day one.

And I think they're going to have a lot of stuff ready for day one.

They're bringing in at least well over 100 people for the Doge effort. They're going to put a few of them directly into each agency. A lot of the transition team itself is hiring people to put into these jobs. There's these policy placements that are all working with Doge and being liaisons with Doge. They're going to come out of the gate with

a bunch of general things, a bunch of removing certain people, a bunch of removing certain regulations. There's all sorts. I can't go into the details exactly of what they're going to be doing, but it's going to be really aggressive right from the start. How much pushback do you think they're going to get, and will it affect their

I mean, it's a really good thing that the Supreme Court of the United States right now is controlled by the pro-liberty side that's skeptical of the special interests of government bureaucracy. The government bureaucracy is one of the most powerful special interests in our country. It's such a strong force. You know what happened is that in the late 1970s,

in a very, very government-union-biased Congress, of Jimmy Carter's Congress. They just put in all these crazy rules to try to make it impossible to hold people accountable. I'm sure you've seen this a lot in government, too.

So they will fight it really hard, but a lot of us believe, and I think the Supreme Court believes, that the intent of the Constitution is that the president is supposed to be in charge of the executive branch, is supposed to have unitary authority to remove people and to fix things. There's another thing called the Empowerment Act from the 1970s as well.

They tried to force Nixon to say, you know what, you have to spend every last dollar that we procure and tell you to spend. And I'm not sure that's constitutional. That's an unconstitutional thing coming from Congress on the presidency.

So I think controlling the presidency, controlling the courts, we only partially control Congress because you really need 60 senators to really do something bold, but we partially control that too. We should be able to get a lot done here. I hope so. The whole world's watching, man.

I was with someone, even like freaking Keir Starmer's government, which I have some issues with over in the UK, obviously. They're kind of more of a really hard left side. Even people out there, they know they have to cut their bureaucracy. These bureaucracies are like these cancers, man, that have grown out of control. They're unelected. They think they're in charge.

They're laughing and saying, don't worry, we'll be here forever. We're going to stop whatever you do. It's just level of broken arrogance. We have to. If Elon and Trump and Vivek and a bunch of my other friends, my smartest friends are going in to help right now. If these guys can't do it, it's not possible.

We all have to root for them for the sake of our civilization because if we can even get part of what they're doing right, that's a much brighter future for everyone. Who else are you excited about? There's a lot of great people coming in. I think we were talking about, I think cleaning out the DOJ with Kash Patel is going to be just so much corruption, so much mess there.

The stuff you see coming out, it's like they're spending all their time going after white supremacists as opposed to real criminals. The whole thing is just crazy. And by the way, there are good people in the FBI. There's still people in the FBI trying to find communists, trying to find bad things happening in our country. So I think we ought to be careful.

It's not that the whole agency, like if you have friends in the FBI, they might be a great person, but there's just so much corruption, so much waste, so much nonsense in these places.

I don't know. Maybe he just knows. There's a vibe shift. He knows he's not supposed to be in charge anymore. The vibe before, it was bureaucratic. It was cowardly. It was guilt-ridden. That was the vibe from the whole woke movement. Now instead, the vibe is It's greatness. It's courage. It's joyous ambition. I mean, the whole country has just shifted away.