Joe Lynam

But if you're a smaller company, Amy.

You don't have somebody who's dedicated to this area.

There's no way you can afford it if you have three or four employees or even if you have 10 or 20 employees.

What could or should smaller companies be thinking about doing?

When it comes to those conversations, though, I can imagine some chief executives of smaller companies who are usually the owners and founders might have a difficulty turning around to their employees and saying, have you considered doing a parkrun?

Or when was the last time you were in the gym?

OK, Amy Burke, People and Sustainability Officer with VHI.

Thanks for joining us this morning.

Breakfast Business with Enterprise Ireland on Newstalk.

Now today, the Department of Enterprise will be publishing its Collective Bargaining Roadmap

as part of the 2024 EU directive that aims to promote collective bargaining on wages in all member states.

Alan Dillon is Minister of State at the Department of Enterprise with special responsibility for small business.

And he joins us now.

Good morning, Alan.

Morning, Tom.

So, Alan, this is something which applies.

Tell me what this means and particularly what it means for businesses and also for employees.

the EU threshold for collective bargaining is 80%.

I understand that Ireland falls some way short of that.

And I want to come back.