Joe Maddon

And that's because I did not want to take a Rollins out of the game, but we had to do it at that point.

And then you have to rely on the other dudes.

But that was a big moment.

And as well as, you're saying game four against the Giants?

To me, that was the World Series.

Well, it's not easy, but you think about them in advance.

I mean, that's the whole thing.

I mean, like I said, I knew he moved them eight spots.

And then, okay, I wasn't worried about it until I had to start worrying about it.

And then you have to start playing it all the way out.

And then it's like who's going to be the pinch hitter if, in fact, we're going to do that.

So that was the beauty of the National League game.

And everybody pooh-poohs that.

I'm here to tell you, man, anybody that says it's just like a double switch, you're butt.

I mean, there's so many things that go on.

There's so much.

I mean, there's times Davey really helped me out because sometimes I would do some things that required a lot of movement, and I'd get lost sometimes.

And Davey would help me out with putting it back together because when you start doing all the things we did, like moving guys, pitchers to the outfield and back and things like that, it can get kind of confusing sometimes.

Yeah, I'm glad they took it out.

I loved it because I felt...