Joe Malloy

the sub-elite level in UK rugby, there are quite often a lot of tests.

There's a real sense of it being a problem area.

And I'm not casting aspersions, obviously, on the AIL.

I don't know.

I'm just reading the story.

But I suppose the point is, Rory, if testing is so minimal, then nobody can fully know what's going on there.

And

Yes, they're amateurs.

And it's not like we're saying club GAA players need to be tested or other amateurs need to be tested.

But I suppose there is a fairly concrete path from AIL quickly into the professional ranks.

But I presume those professionals are liable to be tested through whatever testing goes on a professional level.

Yeah, it would be worth the question to both the RFU and Sport Ireland.

Do you stand over that much testing?

Do you think that's about right?

Two in a year.

You mentioned the Ben Rumsby report.

Just to people who missed this, this was in The Telegraph.

The headline was,

So South Africa, I mean, not casting aspersions on the AAL.

South Africa does have a reputation.