Joe Nocera

Let me add one other thing to that.

Anne Lindbergh wrote a... She published her diaries and letters from that era.

And in the diaries and letters about her son when he was alive, and he's babbling and talking and playing with his dad and playing with his mom and playing with Betty Gao,

And you just read that and you're just like, no, there's nothing wrong with this kid.

I found it very hard to believe.

Well, what resonates to me is the idea that more than one person did it.

whether Hauptman was involved or somebody else.

There's one guy out there that has a name of a different person that he believes did it.

We don't need to get into that.

It's too complicated.

What I believe is that somebody inside the Lindbergh household was involved.

Was there any part of this investigation that involved DNA?

They didn't have DNA back then.

DNA didn't come until the late 80s.

But there's a lawyer who is suing the New Jersey State Police Museum to have DNA tested on the ransom notes because the stamps probably still have DNA and the envelopes, the way you lick the envelopes probably still has DNA.

New Jersey is resisting this like crazy.

But an appeal... Why?

They say it'll damage the evidence.

I don't really think that's the reason, to be honest.

Can you imagine if there was DNA testing and it ruled out Richard Hauptman?