Joe Opio

Oh, okay.

Oh, this is the asterisks and obliques complex, basically, right?

Yes, yes, yes.

And then that's why when you speak your mind, they say you're being frank.

And that's why the term franchising came from.

When you run your own little operation within a big operation.

So Africa is Franks.

and franchise is Uganda.

They were able to self-determine a lot of things and they were able to tell the big rolling out machine, which was the British colonizers, that, hold on, hold on, we're going to do it our way.

And that way, no one ever wanted to do anything to them.

Yes, I always go, the way I think about it is I think Uganda is like the Forrest Gump.

of like international global relations.

We're always like in the middle of things.

But we're so small.

You were there when every fairy tale was coming to an end.

Yes.

But

I also think we're very like country.

I think the thing you were saying or the thing Deb was asking about how, why I'm always happy, I think I'm a lucky guy.

I genuinely think, like it's not a competition, but I think I'm one of the luckiest guys in the world.