Joe Opio

You know, Soka, like you discuss.

So discussing, discussing, discussing.

This was our moment where we went like, oh, now we're in control of our moment.

And then we go to bed at around four.

Then you have to wake up at six.

And we used to do this because BBC Sports was there every day.

Yeah.

And we used to do this every day.

Now, I don't know whether the other guys kept it up.

They're dead, probably.

Yes, but the thing is you guys were able to do it as a group.

So that's conditioning.

You're not hearing what I'm saying.

I'm not disputing the merits of conditioning.

It is possible for a human being to do things that they couldn't do before by doing something repeatedly.

That's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying there is an extra element that now creates what we call the super athlete or there'll be people who have memories that are outsized.

There are people who will be able to jump or run faster because their muscles twitch in a different way.

So I'm saying you have that for sleep.

But what's more impressive to me, because genes are genes, you don't choose them.