Joe Polish

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Well, Tommy is dancing with fear in a different way where it is somehow empowering him, whereas other people, it's disabling them. And then get in the game. You said get in the game. And I'm like, okay, so how do you design that game? And what are the killers that are going to keep that? So that's all the stuff that's going through my head before you get to the three tiers of goal setting, right?
So it's like, yeah.
You know what I got to speak to that too. So like years ago, I did this video that's on YouTube with Robin Sharma. And he wrote a book called many books, but he wrote the 5am club. And I interviewed him when he was working on the 5am club before it came out. And I also coauthored a book of the miracle morning for addiction. recovery. And I am more predominantly like a nocturnal person.
I'd rather, but you're all, I can, I know I can call you at six o'clock in the morning. You're one of the few people I know I call at that time. Well, yeah, what's funny. So like I was talking to my buddy, Dean Jackson and who you've had on your podcast. Yeah. And it's like, if you want a 5am club, it's really a 9pm club.
Because if you try to get up at 5 a.m., but you're going to bed at 1 in the morning, you're just going to be exhausted. And so part of it is, so you just described your flow in the morning, doing the hardest thing. What happens before you go to bed? An hour, two hour, whatever. Is there anything that you could... you can share here that would be useful because Tommy does the same thing.
Tommy has his rituals, but there's before bed and there's after, but he says the most important thing is sleep. So what's happening before?
It was funny because I've spent a lot of time with Richard. Yeah, you have. I spent six weeks on his island.
And so, like, to me... And that would probably also include social media.
Any sort of screen time.
So like a Kindle or whatever would not allow that?
Fascinating. Let me ask you a question. Because people have heard this a million times. Don't look at your phone before bed. And instead of acting in any way, shape, or form like I'm somehow above this, both me and Tommy are friends with Dr. Anna Lemke, who wrote Dopamine Nation. And a lot of people misinterpret what dopamine is. It's a neurotransmitter of anticipation.
And when you're looking at a phone and it's a dopamine cash register, you are anticipating other stuff.
So it is extraordinarily hard when someone's conditioned to not wake up in the morning, look at their phone, or not look at your phone before you go to bed. What is actually happening when you are looking at a screen versus a book that you're saying no screen time? Because people hear no screen time all the time, but I'd love for you to describe neurochemically What is the draw?
Why is it so hard for people to put it down? What is it training our brains to do? And how is it a flow killer? If you could speak to it in that.
It'll speak to prediction in the way that you perceive it.
I want to ask you a question about this because I think it bothers me and I think it bothers a lot of other people, but I dance with it a lot. It's criticism, right? So let me give you just a basic example, not being attacked viciously with someone I don't even know. So the other day, so me and Tommy have our books up. Reminds what's in it for them is book Elevate.
And I was reading a review on Amazon where someone gave me a one-star. And all my writer friends had never made reviews. But I was doing a test to see like, okay, let's see how it bothers me. So nestled between a one-star review where this person was like, Joe used to put out such great stuff and he's lost it. Like someone that I have no idea who this person is. You lost a fan.
You lost a fan. No, he's like, it's not as good as his earlier work. And it's like, I've put more work into this book than anything. But right above and below that, in terms of the timeline, if you sort by recency, this is the best book I have ever read. I bought three copies for a friend. I've listened to it on audio twice, and I'm reading it now. And it's just like the perception of it.
But the funny thing is, is the vast majorities of the reviews are five stars. And I'm like, so what is it about criticism? What is happening where someone has, because you said the brain fixates on stuff. So gratitude, I think snapshot of it, but I'm curious.
Some people are derailed by criticism. Other people use it as fuel. So the reason I bring it up is like Tommy's comment about fear. It's like some people will see some type of rejection. It's like, I'm not good enough. They go into a shame cycle. They can't function. Others are like, man, they use that as fuel. Let me ask.
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