Joe Rogan

But I learned how to fail in those non-televised events.

I could take big swings because it's like, man, if I'm in the middle of a card...

in Valparaiso, and I kind of fuck up in a gymnasium with 3,500 people, they might tell me to fuck off, but there's also the last match that's gonna send them home happy, so let's try this new weird thing.

And that's where me being invisible starts.

It's just like, ah, fucking try it, who cares?

Because it's an environment where you don't want to fail.

And now there's way more advantage on getting our content out there, but...

Production is super slick.

It's like really precise.

Everyone's really good.

And I don't know how many people go out there and just like dumb.

Like that was an example of swinging big.

I'm gonna fake ring the bell.

Will people even get that?

Who cares?

Let's try it.

He's the only one of those guys who will, or very few of those guys will stand on an idea like that, where the other guys are like, no, I want to have a good choreographed performance because I want my stuff to look good because it's on television and going around the world.

I loved the non-televised events, but it's not a good business model.

That is, I think, a conundrum that we're facing because you're failing in front of the world.

It's weird.