Joe Rogan

So what did you have to say to Dan Patrick to convince him of this?

And kudos to him for doing this.

Well put.

And I don't think it's just Ibogaine that confirms that.

I think you could say the same about many other psychedelic drugs that are...

unjustly maligned and treated as if they're an escape from reality.

But in the interest of this being a standalone podcast where people don't know what Ibogaine is and don't understand the efficacy of it and how unbelievably effective it is,

especially treating addiction.

Could you please just go over that?

Well said.

And thank you again, Governor Perry, because if it wasn't for your involvement in this, I think a lot of people would be far more skeptical.

You being a former distinguished governor of the state who is a Republican, generally speaking, most people think of Republicans as being –

anti-psychedelics and that this whole thing is just a bunch of people trying to escape reality and poison their mind and tune out of society and become losers.

That's the general consensus of people that are just...

for lack of a better term, ignorant of the effects of these substances.

They don't understand it.

But if it wasn't for you, your open-mindedness, your willingness to engage in this and try to understand it and to speak to these veterans, I don't think people would be taken into seriously.

Well, and it should.

It's also absolutely not a recreational compound.

It's not something that someone's going to do at a party.