Joe Rogan

That's it.

And then from then, I realized that there's a lot to learn and that as much as I learned about martial arts, I could apply

That sort of open-minded discipline.

Because you have to be open-minded to be good at martial arts because you have to be able to listen.

You can't think you already know.

You cannot.

You won't grow and you won't get better.

You have to...

be listening to coaches.

You have to be listening to instructors.

You have to be listening to your teammates.

You have to listen to everybody.

If you don't listen, if you have, don't tell me, those people don't go anywhere.

And I learned that very early on.

It's very fortunate that I found that path because I've applied that to virtually everything that I've ever done in life.

Instead of

having this belief that I have things figured out.

I mean, I've certainly been more sure than I should have been at many times in my life, but always willing to stop and go, maybe I'm wrong.

And if it wasn't for this podcast, it would have never gotten to where it is because I've fortunately been able to talk to brilliant people.

And I grew up in – I lived in California for 26 years.