Joe Santagato

And it gets easier when you kind of do stuff.

I was afraid to do live shows.

I was nervous about doing it because you're so comfortable just on the internet.

And it's like you can edit it.

There's no really high stakes, but can you perform for two hours in front of people?

That's a very big jump and a different thing, especially when you're doing...

a podcast show that people have no expectations coming into the show.

Like, what the fuck is it going to be?

Like, are you going to get on there and sit on stage and talk to your boy and that's going to be the whole show?

Like, it can't be that.

It can be.

Some people do it, but I was not interested in that whatsoever.

Lazy people do it.

I was not interested in that whatsoever.

I held off until we had a good idea and also at a point where we felt like we are hitting a stride and the show has grown to the point and this feels like, okay, this is a logical next step, but we're going to make it worth it for people because I...

Going back to what I was saying before, none of this is for the money.

I really just am not motivated by money at all.

So I would feel horrible if I went out there and didn't try.

And if they loved it, it would make it worse because then it would feel like, oh, I manipulated them into giving my money and they're happy.

Why are they happy?