Joe Santagato

Or Queens or Brooklyn or Staten Island.

Yeah.

I think also I think that tours are different because the whole point of a tour is to immerse yourself in the culture and learn about the city.

So if I'm driving with my family in the car in Midtown Manhattan, it doesn't count as having visited.

But if, but that's not what I'm like.

I mean, this is like a very like, but if I get into a tour bus where someone's speaking on a microphone, then it counts.

I think those things are different.

Yes.

Factually, they are different.

The point that I'm trying to make, though, is that in essence, they're the exact same thing.

No, because the example that you're giving is very different than that.

No, it is not.

Yes, it is.

No, it is not, Frank.

If I decide, kids, you guys have never seen Manhattan.

Let's drive through to go see it.

They're going to go, you know what, dad, it doesn't count, though, because you're not a certified fucking person with a microphone.

No, I think that like when in the context of someone asking you if if you've been to a place, they're asking about your experience in that place.

It's different if you're like, let's go see Manhattan or let's go see something like that is a visual thing that you're going to do.

Like we're going to go see Times Square or whatever or whatever, like.