Joe Scarborough

And those were the four people that, that were the innermost sanctum. Didn't talk to them. I spent a lot of time talking to the chief of staff and talking to Anita Dunn, talking to John Meacham, talking to other people around the president. And I would tell you in real time, Mike Barnicle, John Meacham, you know, I called John Meacham actually five minutes before the debate.

And those were the four people that, that were the innermost sanctum. Didn't talk to them. I spent a lot of time talking to the chief of staff and talking to Anita Dunn, talking to John Meacham, talking to other people around the president. And I would tell you in real time, Mike Barnicle, John Meacham, you know, I called John Meacham actually five minutes before the debate.

And those were the four people that, that were the innermost sanctum. Didn't talk to them. I spent a lot of time talking to the chief of staff and talking to Anita Dunn, talking to John Meacham, talking to other people around the president. And I would tell you in real time, Mike Barnicle, John Meacham, you know, I called John Meacham actually five minutes before the debate.

And I said, what are you hearing? How's he doing? He goes, well, the old man's sounding good. His voice is a little hoarse, but he's sounding okay. And that was five minutes before. I called him five minutes after. I was like, John, what in the world? And same with Barnicle and everybody else. So I... Again, I don't know that they weren't paying attention. That's your take.

And I said, what are you hearing? How's he doing? He goes, well, the old man's sounding good. His voice is a little hoarse, but he's sounding okay. And that was five minutes before. I called him five minutes after. I was like, John, what in the world? And same with Barnicle and everybody else. So I... Again, I don't know that they weren't paying attention. That's your take.

And I said, what are you hearing? How's he doing? He goes, well, the old man's sounding good. His voice is a little hoarse, but he's sounding okay. And that was five minutes before. I called him five minutes after. I was like, John, what in the world? And same with Barnicle and everybody else. So I... Again, I don't know that they weren't paying attention. That's your take.

I think people that were close to him that saw him day in and day out, night in and night out, were shot. That doesn't speak to the inner circle. I don't know. Maybe Donlon, Reschetti, and Jill Biden saw something the rest of us didn't see day in and day out.

I think people that were close to him that saw him day in and day out, night in and night out, were shot. That doesn't speak to the inner circle. I don't know. Maybe Donlon, Reschetti, and Jill Biden saw something the rest of us didn't see day in and day out.

I think people that were close to him that saw him day in and day out, night in and night out, were shot. That doesn't speak to the inner circle. I don't know. Maybe Donlon, Reschetti, and Jill Biden saw something the rest of us didn't see day in and day out.

I think the biggest mistake they made was sort of the first mistake, which was... And something that Mike Barnicle was saying from the first days of the administration, which was their... they're blocking him in there. They need to let him get out. They need to let him talk more. They need to stop protecting him so much.

I think the biggest mistake they made was sort of the first mistake, which was... And something that Mike Barnicle was saying from the first days of the administration, which was their... they're blocking him in there. They need to let him get out. They need to let him talk more. They need to stop protecting him so much.

I think the biggest mistake they made was sort of the first mistake, which was... And something that Mike Barnicle was saying from the first days of the administration, which was their... they're blocking him in there. They need to let him get out. They need to let him talk more. They need to stop protecting him so much.

Um, there was, was real concerned, uh, among, uh, many people that knew Biden that, that Ron Klain ran too tight of a ship, um, that, that, uh, Joe Biden needed to get out there. He needed, if he stumbled and he bumbled, if he made mistakes on the campaign trail, as Donald Trump has, as George W. Bush did, as the first Bush did, and I'm not comparing all of their mental acuity.

Um, there was, was real concerned, uh, among, uh, many people that knew Biden that, that Ron Klain ran too tight of a ship, um, that, that, uh, Joe Biden needed to get out there. He needed, if he stumbled and he bumbled, if he made mistakes on the campaign trail, as Donald Trump has, as George W. Bush did, as the first Bush did, and I'm not comparing all of their mental acuity.

Um, there was, was real concerned, uh, among, uh, many people that knew Biden that, that Ron Klain ran too tight of a ship, um, that, that, uh, Joe Biden needed to get out there. He needed, if he stumbled and he bumbled, if he made mistakes on the campaign trail, as Donald Trump has, as George W. Bush did, as the first Bush did, and I'm not comparing all of their mental acuity.

I'm just saying, you know, you get the American people used to it, and then they can decide. It's kind of like Donald Trump. where Americans understood going into the election that there were many things about Donald Trump that they may not have liked, but they discounted those things because they saw him enough that they knew him. I think the biggest mistake is that they didn't let Biden out

I'm just saying, you know, you get the American people used to it, and then they can decide. It's kind of like Donald Trump. where Americans understood going into the election that there were many things about Donald Trump that they may not have liked, but they discounted those things because they saw him enough that they knew him. I think the biggest mistake is that they didn't let Biden out

I'm just saying, you know, you get the American people used to it, and then they can decide. It's kind of like Donald Trump. where Americans understood going into the election that there were many things about Donald Trump that they may not have liked, but they discounted those things because they saw him enough that they knew him. I think the biggest mistake is that they didn't let Biden out

And let him hold press conferences, let him make those mistakes, have him stumble through it if he had to stumble through it so the American people could decide, OK, what I eventually came to and what this conversation has been about. where they said, okay, yeah, he stumbles, he looks glassy-eyed, but I like his position here or I like his position there.

And let him hold press conferences, let him make those mistakes, have him stumble through it if he had to stumble through it so the American people could decide, OK, what I eventually came to and what this conversation has been about. where they said, okay, yeah, he stumbles, he looks glassy-eyed, but I like his position here or I like his position there.