Joe Weisenthal

Yeah.

Yeah, no, it's exactly right.

And I think maybe there's something like, you know, I don't it feels like to some extent the mayoral level of any governance is sort of maybe the least ideological and the most like, you know, we talked to the Baltimore mayor, for example, and so much of his theme was just like talking to other mayors, like what's working in your town, what's working in your city and what's not working and so forth.

They all have such similar challenges.

So many things have been like repeated, you know, one time after another that like they all can sort of speak the same language and all have the same issues.

Yeah.

You know, you hear like these stories, right, of a governor, a governor sometimes or a mayor will go to like another country like, oh, we can like learn from what the city did on transit or whatever.

But no, you don't really hear that the same way at the real national level, which is where a lot of our discussions tend to sit.

Absolutely.

Anyway, I'm really excited about today's episode.

We're going to be speaking with a guest who I would say, like, since we've been doing Odd Lots, is actually one of the more frequently requested guests.

And so it's sort of a failure on our part that, like, we just, like, never made it happen before.

But, yeah, someone who, like, really, like, whose whole career is, like, dedicated to a lot of Odd Lots-y things.

We didn't want to just do it at any other random venue.

Yes, it was all very strategically designed.

So we really do have the perfect guest, someone that a lot of guests have wanted to listen to, hear from for a long time.

We're going to be speaking with Mariana Mazzucato, professor at University College London, founder of the Institute for Public Purpose, author of several books sort of touching on these themes of technology, public sector, private sector, the roots of innovation, how these things actually get deployed.

So

Professor Mazzucato, thank you so much for coming on Odd Lots.

Finally.