Joe Wells

is that part of what stand-up appeals to you about stand-up and comedy because that was the thing which really drew me to stand-up was I know when it's my turn to speak on stage it's all the time it's a conversation where I don't have that like but in seriousness it's the thing where I'm so anxious in a lot of conversations about am I speaking too much am I speaking not enough and then when you're in a comedy club 20 minutes my turn to speak maybe if I want to I can let you speak a little bit but yeah

So that must have been, because my image of rural Australia is that it's sort of like, I guess, like quite conservative and, you know, and that there's not a, there's not a lot of queer goths, as you say.

So was that you finding like a few people like you and being like, this is our group in this sort of place that's maybe not as accepting?

Or is rural Australia more liberal than I think it is?

Although often those diagnoses for those women, they could be the wrong diagnosis for a while, I think, is often the thing.

But, yeah, I see what you mean, yeah.

No, but you know what?

I think that's the psychology of those people is that if they were bullied and they've gone, one day I'll be the bully, and then they grow up and they become Elon Musk.

Yeah.

He was married to Grimes.

Yeah.

He was married to Grimes and is still really uncool.

you know but also you never want to be the second rate version of like there's certain comics I guess the obvious one would be like talking about Dennis Leary and Bill Hicks where you sort of go well you want the you want the real thing

Whereas like you, if you're creating, you know, we've had Nick Helm on the show.

The best Nick Helm.

And there's no, he's not the only one.

Yeah.

And I think that, yeah, that is what you want to aim for because you're not competing with anyone.

Hmm.

But completely, yeah.