Joe Wiesenthal

But one dimension that I'm particularly interested in is, okay, you talk about how in the ideal scenario, the engineers, the construction firm, the architects, they're all there from the beginning.

That's not handoff, and that sounds really great, and it seems to yield great results.

But you're breaking down silos also.

On the other hand, that model also means that when the client comes with the budget,

the architect just gets one slice of it, right?

And so perhaps, and you know, architects in the US is sort of famous for as professionals on like say doctors, lawyers, et cetera, they're not paid as well as others.

And maybe it's because, you know, they're sharing the pie with many other entities.

What should aspiring architects think about to not just have like a satisfied career, but also a remunerative career that can sustain themselves?

I have one last question.

I have no idea if you like the term or find the term Starkitect annoying or not, but when you see a list of them, you're one of them.

But there is a generation of them, the people who are called Starkitects, and there doesn't seem to be a lot of new names.

And I'm curious if you perceive...

The next century, could there be another person?

To the extent that anyone ever knows the names of architects, it's always going to be somewhat narrow.

But will there be architects who emerge in the next century that everyone knows the name of?

Or has something changed such that that individual won't be a pop culture figure in the same way?

We'll definitely take you up on the tour if that's a real offer.

Go for it, Tracy.

I think you should.

You know, I have to say I did not expect that conversation to really veer so much into political economy, basically, and some of the