Joe

But when he said that's what counts.

What counts, I think his message there is you've got to be in this until the end and give yourself a shot.

And if I had to go back and look, I would have thought that

The 2020 year, was that the one that started the COVID year, 11-0, and they were really going?

I thought that.

And then it just completely petered out at the end.

But I think that's the message he's trying to send.

You want a coach that has an opportunity to get you to where you need to go.

And then when you get there, I'm sure he's not happy with the results when you get there.

mel blunt everybody else um and certainly how ben got here their last losing season got them ben who's most responsible for the non-losing streak since then and it happens in all sports you saw with the penguins what they needed to do hit rock bottom before i get all that but there's also the other side of that where you can hit rock bottom and stay there for quite some time because you've been there

you mangle things after that.

So I think what he was referring to is that you have to be at least in this hunt, get to a point.

They've been in the playoffs five of the last six years.

And I agree with your point that they weren't looked at as serious contenders necessarily, but they got there.

And I think that was his point.

Please continue limits.

And he's done a lot of things that people don't even know about in terms of community involvement with things.

Uh, and also I just think the respect he has from his players, you know, every Thanksgiving he opened up his house.

If you don't have a place to go, come over, we'll take, you know, we have a good time.

All of you are invited.