Joe

You know, he's fairly solidly of the opinion because he beat a young Roger Federer that he missed out on his window to be a top 50 male tennis player.

Not when he was 16 or 17 or 18, but somewhere kind of from 9 or 10 and 13 or 14.

You know, they had a court in Backgarden and that got him going to a certain level.

But then you got to take, I don't know, the Andy Murray leap to Barcelona or go to the Boletari school or, you know, have your dad driving...

you.

So it's fascinating what goes into making a top five, and you were number four at your peak, a top five tennis player is all kind of freakish things.

Yeah, it's all in.

I don't want to open up, by the way, some family psychology, maybe the group therapy thing here, but like, what's your brother saying when like.

Fascinating.

That US Open final in 97 where you lost 3-1 to Pat Rafter.

It was a huge thing in the UK.

Like, I mean, you were BBC Sports Personality of the Year, which for...

You know, somebody who'd switched from representing Canada just two years previously to be like the sports personality of the year for reaching the US Open final, let alone winning the thing, shows like how fallow things have been in UK tennis across the 80s and 90s.

It was a really big thing.

Your perspective on that tournament, that final, I know you fell ill.

Um, in advance of the final and there was a, will I, won't I take a TUE?

Like there was a lot going on at 24 years of age.

Yeah, I guess at 24, you don't suspect, as you say, it will be your last chance.

But now that it is and the career is complete, I can see how that's an itch.

I can see how that would come back.